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I've finalised on getting either the UD5H or the UD3H.

The UD5H is out of stock over here and it'll take about 15days to get back in stock. I thought of going with the UD3H. However, my main concern is the sound on the UD3H. It's got a VIA chip instead of Realtek. Does it make a difference? I'm used to the realtek on my EP45. Should I take the UD3H? Its seems a real good board for the price!

Thanks
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Lives longer? Gosh how long do you run the same machine,

LOL, as I wrote before I am still running a GA 8iexp with a P4@1.6 GHz biggrin.gif
Built it in 2002, still going strong (so to speak wink.gif). Too bad the bios won't let me use HDs bigger than 137 GB...
But what I really mean with lives longer is that low temps reduce the chance of early failing.
Besides, I am a strong supporter of recycling: a long-lived system can be used as a secondary computer (like the one I am about to replace) or, better yet, it could be given away to schools or to young people who cannot afford one.
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Run cooler, I dunno, my temps between stock and a 4.5 clock are the same when they run the same speeds. This droop thing is nice. I;m new to clocking but it seems it will not run 4.5 unless called for by a task.
Yep, if the system is idle there is almost no difference in power consumption between 1.6GHZ and 4.5GHz settings. Intel did the right thing with their frequency scaling thingy. And yet, undervolting can slightly reduce power drain, even when idling.
Here's a link to the only page I've found discussing undervolting an Ivy Bridge CPU: http://www.anandtech.com/show/5763/undervolting-and-overclocking-on-ivy-bridge . As you can see, temps go down with voltage, and so does power. (yeah, I know, very little, but it's better than nothing especially if one wants the system to be silent when idle, reading texts, browsing...)
There really is no need for a system to suck 200W while it's sitting on its a**.
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But with an on-board dual BIOS switch, you can have two different setups/worlds so its possible for you to get in the neighborhood of what you want..
I thought I could switch between 'power sipping' and 'daredevil overclocking' settings by just using profiles (but I am a total noob about that).
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That's why I recommended a bracket smile.gifHere's an example. This is way better than seeing cables run from the front or top of your case to a hub.
I had emailed GB support DAYS ago for my problem and they just replied yesterday. I asked them about the unstable USB 3 ports (specifying VIA) and they pretty much completely skirt around the question. I am very much hoping that a bios comes that significantly fixes the issue as well but I'm not convinced that it will happen (any time soon) considering there have already been numerous revisions to the bios already of all these boards. In essence, I suspect they know, they just can't seem to fix it.
Quite frankly it's looking like no vendor has 100% solid USB 3. If you do some reading on Newegg or wherever about any board you are considering, you'll learn that pretty much all of them can be problematic and it usually comes down to people seeing usb devices disappear or severely slow usb 3, etc.
If you do get another board and it works well (or better than yours) please let me know as I may also be in the market for one sooner than later.

I just want to chime in once more,....... my board returned from RMA with none of the spoken USB issues mentioned in this thread. It had them and I made sure they knew it in detail in the letter in the box and on their form.

I went looking for another MFG while it was away but the UDH5 has the layout and features I need over the rest so I backed off until It came back. I read reviews and forum comments on several MFG's and they all resemble an industry standard in this hobby of home custum building we do, none of them are without woes. ............. Loving the UHD5 now.

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That's why I recommended a bracket smile.gifHere's an example. This is way better than seeing cables run from the front or top of your case to a hub.
I had emailed GB support DAYS ago for my problem and they just replied yesterday. I asked them about the unstable USB 3 ports (specifying VIA) and they pretty much completely skirt around the question. I am very much hoping that a bios comes that significantly fixes the issue as well but I'm not convinced that it will happen (any time soon) considering there have already been numerous revisions to the bios already of all these boards. In essence, I suspect they know, they just can't seem to fix it.
Quite frankly it's looking like no vendor has 100% solid USB 3. If you do some reading on Newegg or wherever about any board you are considering, you'll learn that pretty much all of them can be problematic and it usually comes down to people seeing usb devices disappear or severely slow usb 3, etc.
If you do get another board and it works well (or better than yours) please let me know as I may also be in the market for one sooner than later.

It's not clear what problem you're having with VIA usb3. Looks like the 4 ports in the back and the 2 headers at the bottom are VIA. Then the 1 header next to the DIMMs is Intel. Is that correct?
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Originally Posted by kesawi View Post

Looks like it now supports TRIM on RAID 0. Very happy. Anyone tried them out yet?

woring fine on single ahci (1 disk)
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Thx for info.
Also anyone have some info about Xhci setting in bios.
Enable, disable or smart auto?

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I've finalised on getting either the UD5H or the UD3H.
The UD5H is out of stock over here and it'll take about 15days to get back in stock. I thought of going with the UD3H. However, my main concern is the sound on the UD3H. It's got a VIA chip instead of Realtek. Does it make a difference? I'm used to the realtek on my EP45. Should I take the UD3H? Its seems a real good board for the price!
Thanks

no problem so far on games, but forget about updated drivers, i miss realtek for that, via never updates nothing
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It's not clear what problem you're having with VIA usb3. Looks like the 4 ports in the back and the 2 headers at the bottom are VIA. Then the 1 header next to the DIMMs is Intel. Is that correct?

Actually all of the ports on the back have exhibited the problem. Believe me I have tried them all in every possible combination. I think the problem is the power regulation to the rear usb ports which is not going to be fixed with a bios upgrade. Ok, I should not have said it is impossible. Perhaps they can adjust that regulation through the bios. I have now been running for 14 hours without a single problem using the powered usb hub. Tomorrow I will move the hub to a back usb port to see if that is stable. If it is then we can assume it is the power regulation to the ports and a separate power source solves the problem. I will report on that result after I have it switched for several hours. Frankly, I never got through three hours straight before without some kind of usb burp so this is a valid test..
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woring fine on single ahci (1 disk)
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no problem so far on games, but forget about updated drivers, i miss realtek for that, via never updates nothing
Ok thx.
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Any one using the AMD HDMI Audio on thier Radeons with the UD3H. I Use the HDMI on my 6870 and Im scare of a possible conflict with that and the VIA chip, hence I'm re considering the AsRock Ex 4. any thoughs guys ?

I have a complicated 3D Tv setup going through a Yamaha AVR and I dont wanna have any issues.

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I just want to chime in once more,....... my board returned from RMA with none of the spoken USB issues mentioned in this thread. It had them and I made sure they knew it in detail in the letter in the box and on their form.
I went looking for another MFG while it was away but the UDH5 has the layout and features I need over the rest so I backed off until It came back. I read reviews and forum comments on several MFG's and they all resemble an industry standard in this hobby of home custum building we do, none of them are without woes. ............. Loving the UHD5 now.
Good Luck!

Was it repaired or replaced? If it was repaired it's likely all they did was update the BIOS in which case, it would be good knowing eventually they'll fix the problem using the BIOS for all the boards.
If it was replaced, then that is interesting. It would mean that the USB issues are definitely due to something faulty on the board.
I'm hesitant because the last thing I want to do is send in my board to be replaced and then the brand new board I get back ends up having the same issues or worse, DOA. If I'm going to spend an extra $15 to send the board back to Newegg, I want to know that what I'm getting back is better. That's why I've been pretty much fighting it out with the board. So far so good though.
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It's not clear what problem you're having with VIA usb3. Looks like the 4 ports in the back and the 2 headers at the bottom are VIA. Then the 1 header next to the DIMMs is Intel. Is that correct?

Only my VIA USB 3 ports suffer any problems and that's usually when I have all my stuff plugged into them. Ever since I bought the bracket and put my USB 2 devices on there things have been smooth sailing. I believe the header by the DIMMs is Intel but I could be wrong. The way the wording is set up, it sounds like there's 2 Intel USB 3 onboard on the back under the LAN, 2 Intel USB 3 internal using the header and 6 USB 2.0 - these are the ports I never have a problem with (unless I need to get into the BIOS). They could be VIA too, I'm not sure. I can check the device manager and see. Either way, no problem with any of the USB 2 ports. Then the 4 on the back are VIA USB 3 (which generally have power very early on, so I use for BIOS entry), but are incredibly buggy.

For example, here is what I have...(all in my sig)

These are together as the keyboard is also a 2 port usb 2 hub. I used to put this on the Intel USB 3 port in the back:

G19 keyboard
Cordless Optical Trackball mouse

These are on my Kensington USB 2 hub (ref: USB A)

G930 wireless headset
RX595 Printer
Logitech Rumblepad (Gamepad)

My Belkin USB 2 Tetrahub is used for flash drives (ref: USB B)

I have 2 Seagate GoFlex USB 3 drives (ref: USB C/D)

Initially, I had issues when the keyboard was on the Intel port and then I plug anything into the VIA USB 3 ports. I tried all combinations, USB A on the Intel ports, USB B on the Intel ports, USB C/D on the VIA USB 3 ports, then all off and start over if I had a problem. USB A on VIA USB 3, USB B on Intel, USB C on VIA USB 3, USB D on Intel, etc. Nothing would work and the ports would bug out. Sometimes the devices just drop from my PC and never come back. Sometimes they drop and then come back a few mins later. I feared for my 2 hard drives with this set up.

When I got the bracket I put both hubs on it and moved the drives to the USB 3 Intel ports and put the keyboard on a VIA USB 3.0 port and that was it, everything ironed out. Haven't had a freeze or crash and my drives haven't dropped out since. My keyboard and mouse also haven't dropped out. Essentially, I'm only using 1 VIA USB 3.0 port and have no idea what would happen if I attempted to use more/all of them but it would be nice to be able to at some point if I ever needed to.
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Was it repaired or replaced? If it was repaired it's likely all they did was update the BIOS in which case, it would be good knowing eventually they'll fix the problem using the BIOS for all the boards.
If it was replaced, then that is interesting. It would mean that the USB issues are definitely due to something faulty on the board.
I'm hesitant because the last thing I want to do is send in my board to be replaced and then the brand new board I get back ends up having the same issues or worse, DOA. If I'm going to spend an extra $15 to send the board back to Newegg, I want to know that what I'm getting back is better. That's why I've been pretty much fighting it out with the board. So far so good though.
Only my VIA USB 3 ports suffer any problems and that's usually when I have all my stuff plugged into them. Ever since I bought the bracket and put my USB 2 devices on there things have been smooth sailing. I believe the header by the DIMMs is Intel but I could be wrong. The way the wording is set up, it sounds like there's 2 Intel USB 3 onboard on the back under the LAN, 2 Intel USB 3 internal using the header and 6 USB 2.0 - these are the ports I never have a problem with (unless I need to get into the BIOS). They could be VIA too, I'm not sure. I can check the device manager and see. Either way, no problem with any of the USB 2 ports. Then the 4 on the back are VIA USB 3 (which generally have power very early on, so I use for BIOS entry), but are incredibly buggy.
For example, here is what I have...(all in my sig)
These are together as the keyboard is also a 2 port usb 2 hub. I used to put this on the Intel USB 3 port in the back:
G19 keyboard
Cordless Optical Trackball mouse
These are on my Kensington USB 2 hub (ref: USB A)
G930 wireless headset
RX595 Printer
Logitech Rumblepad (Gamepad)
My Belkin USB 2 Tetrahub is used for flash drives (ref: USB B)
I have 2 Seagate GoFlex USB 3 drives (ref: USB C/D)
Initially, I had issues when the keyboard was on the Intel port and then I plug anything into the VIA USB 3 ports. I tried all combinations, USB A on the Intel ports, USB B on the Intel ports, USB C/D on the VIA USB 3 ports, then all off and start over if I had a problem. USB A on VIA USB 3, USB B on Intel, USB C on VIA USB 3, USB D on Intel, etc. Nothing would work and the ports would bug out. Sometimes the devices just drop from my PC and never come back. Sometimes they drop and then come back a few mins later. I feared for my 2 hard drives with this set up.
When I got the bracket I put both hubs on it and moved the drives to the USB 3 Intel ports and put the keyboard on a VIA USB 3.0 port and that was it, everything ironed out. Haven't had a freeze or crash and my drives haven't dropped out since. My keyboard and mouse also haven't dropped out. Essentially, I'm only using 1 VIA USB 3.0 port and have no idea what would happen if I attempted to use more/all of them but it would be nice to be able to at some point if I ever needed to.

According to the manual there are only 2 Intel USB3 ports (on the internal header). And 8 VIA usb3 ports, 4 in the back + 4 through 2 internal headers. So maybe you're referring to the wrong devices? My Logitech wireless trackball does not play nice with usb hubs either so maybe you're too quick to blame the mobo.

Also manual says, "Due to a Windows 7 limitation, please connect your USB device(s) to the USB 2.0/1.1 port(s) before the Intel USB 3.0 controller driver is installed."... not sure what they're trying to say here, maybe they imply that the VIA usb3 are not available at boot time. But I was able to boot a flash drive from usb3 in the back. In fact next week I'm getting a fast usb3 card reader and 95MB/sec UHS SDHC cards and expect to boot several portable OSes that way, which is huge for the UD5H.
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