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LOL, as I wrote before I am still running a GA 8iexp with a P4@1.6 GHz biggrin.gif
Built it in 2002, still going strong (so to speak wink.gif). Too bad the bios won't let me use HDs bigger than 137 GB...
But what I really mean with lives longer is that low temps reduce the chance of early failing.
Besides, I am a strong supporter of recycling: a long-lived system can be used as a secondary computer (like the one I am about to replace) or, better yet, it could be given away to schools or to young people who cannot afford one.
Yep, if the system is idle there is almost no difference in power consumption between 1.6GHZ and 4.5GHz settings. Intel did the right thing with their frequency scaling thingy. And yet, undervolting can slightly reduce power drain, even when idling.
Here's a link to the only page I've found discussing undervolting an Ivy Bridge CPU: http://www.anandtech.com/show/5763/undervolting-and-overclocking-on-ivy-bridge . As you can see, temps go down with voltage, and so does power. (yeah, I know, very little, but it's better than nothing especially if one wants the system to be silent when idle, reading texts, browsing...)
There really is no need for a system to suck 200W while it's sitting on its a**.
I thought I could switch between 'power sipping' and 'daredevil overclocking' settings by just using profiles (but I am a total noob about that).
undervolting and overclcking ivy bridge really is kind of funny, the one reason he didn't write an oc guide instead is because i already had. Honestly unless you have a 5.3ghz gold CPU like I do or he does, then that might really NOT apply. Luck will have a lot to do with how much you can lower each CPUs voltage and temperatures. Best way to look at it, just go for the temperature, as on other boards like many asus and asrck there are no voltage read points to tell the real voltage, and many asrock boards are set to have cpuz report much less than is being fed. ASUS doesn't do that, however to do a real comparison upon boards would require a real voltage meter.
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According to the manual there are only 2 Intel USB3 ports (on the internal header). And 8 VIA usb3 ports, 4 in the back + 4 through 2 internal headers. So maybe you're referring to the wrong devices? My Logitech wireless trackball does not play nice with usb hubs either so maybe you're too quick to blame the mobo.
Also manual says, "Due to a Windows 7 limitation, please connect your USB device(s) to the USB 2.0/1.1 port(s) before the Intel USB 3.0 controller driver is installed."... not sure what they're trying to say here, maybe they imply that the VIA usb3 are not available at boot time. But I was able to boot a flash drive from usb3 in the back. In fact next week I'm getting a fast usb3 card reader and 95MB/sec UHS SDHC cards and expect to boot several portable OSes that way, which is huge for the UD5H.
Intel USb 3.0 requires drivers to work as well, if you never install your drivers for the Intel USb 3.0 then you wil be limited to around 40mb/s on any native Intel port. intel USB 3.0 isn't that great man, look at my UP5 TH review, i tested and intel didn't do any better than any of the ports with VIA hubs.
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Intel USb 3.0 requires drivers to work as well, if you never install your drivers for the Intel USb 3.0 then you wil be limited to around 40mb/s on any native Intel port. intel USB 3.0 isn't that great man, look at my UP5 TH review, i tested and intel didn't do any better than any of the ports with VIA hubs.

The good thing is that they are bootable, most of the early usb3 were not seen by the BIOS at boot time. I boot Linux mostly, so I assume that even if limited to 40MB/s at boot time, when the OS loads the drivers you'll get up to full usb3 speed. Am i assuming correctly? You can boot usb2 at its maximum speed, how long before usb3 can boot at full speed?
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According to the manual there are only 2 Intel USB3 ports (on the internal header). And 8 VIA usb3 ports, 4 in the back + 4 through 2 internal headers. So maybe you're referring to the wrong devices? My Logitech wireless trackball does not play nice with usb hubs either so maybe you're too quick to blame the mobo.
Also manual says, "Due to a Windows 7 limitation, please connect your USB device(s) to the USB 2.0/1.1 port(s) before the Intel USB 3.0 controller driver is installed."... not sure what they're trying to say here, maybe they imply that the VIA usb3 are not available at boot time. But I was able to boot a flash drive from usb3 in the back. In fact next week I'm getting a fast usb3 card reader and 95MB/sec UHS SDHC cards and expect to boot several portable OSes that way, which is huge for the UD5H.

Nope. I'm pretty sure of at the very least what all the USB 3 ports are. The 2 below the LAN for me are Intel USB 3 and the rest are VIA USB 3. The internals are mostly USB 2, I wasn't sure of which are which exactly but I do know that there's an internal USB 3 header which I don't use. All the USB 2 ports work fine...VIA or Intel, whatever they are (almost sure they're Intel). I don't get any USB 2 stuff dropping, just the VIA USB 3 on the back. Your board is different in that it contains 2 VIA hubs in addition to USB from the chipset. You have I think 4 VIA USB 3 on the back, 2 Intel USB 3 and 2 Intel USB 2 ports. I have 2 Intel USB 3 and 4 VIA USB 3 (all USB 3).

For me, the VIA USB 3 actually are available pre-boot, they just aren't available in the OS without drivers (for me, anyway). I guess they can't hand over to EHCI without drivers? /shrug. The Intel ones can and do. So if I, for example, use the VIA ports on the back when installing Windows, I'd have to switch it to the Intel ones as only those will work. My Manual deesn't say what yours does, it says: "Due to a Windows 7 limitation, please connect your USB device(s) to the USB 2.0/1.1 port(s) before the VIA USB 3.0 controller driver is installed.". I'm guessing they're just making sure people don't plug their keyboard and mouse into a USB 3 port to eliminate installation issues from losing them.

I have yet to try installing an OS from Flash on the VIA USB 3 port. I can boot to it to upgrade the BIOS but I'm not sure I could install or run an OS with it. I can with the Intel ones though.

Wouldn't it just be better to grab some fast usb 3 flash drives considering the cards are more expensive? Eg. Lexar Triton (rated at 150/150MBps) 16/32 is ~$47/72 and a 95MBps UHS SDHC is ~$42/80.
Just curious.
 
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For me, the VIA USB 3 actually are available pre-boot, they just aren't available in the OS without drivers (for me, anyway). I guess they can't hand over to EHCI without drivers? /shrug. The Intel ones can and do. So if I, for example, use the VIA ports on the back when installing Windows, I'd have to switch it to the Intel ones as only those will work. My Manual deesn't say what yours does, it says: "Due to a Windows 7 limitation, please connect your USB device(s) to the USB 2.0/1.1 port(s) before the VIA USB 3.0 controller driver is installed.". I'm guessing they're just making sure people don't plug their keyboard and mouse into a USB 3 port to eliminate installation issues from losing them.

I've found that none of the VIA USB3 or USB2 ports are available at boot on my UD5H, only the ports running off the intel chipset are. Once Windows 7 is loaded they work fine.
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The good thing is that they are bootable, most of the early usb3 were not seen by the BIOS at boot time. I boot Linux mostly, so I assume that even if limited to 40MB/s at boot time, when the OS loads the drivers you'll get up to full usb3 speed. Am i assuming correctly? You can boot usb2 at its maximum speed, how long before usb3 can boot at full speed?

you have to install the Intel drivers, Windows 7 doesn't have a driver for Intel USB 3.0. It is just like any other USB 3.0 controller, however there are 4 of them built into the PCH.
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I've found that none of the VIA USB3 or USB2 ports are available at boot on my UD5H, only the ports running off the intel chipset are. Once Windows 7 is loaded they work fine.
VIA has no USB 2.0 ports on the board, and on your UD5H all the back panel ports are from Intel, and the USb 3.0 ones run through the VIA hub.
The VIA hub has no drivers, it is just a hub.

On the UD5H GIGABYTE uses a hub for all the USb 3.0 on the back as well as the internal. The ONLY USB 3.0 ports that don't run through a hub is the internal port furthest up on the board. Try to boot off of that one.
Edited by Sin0822 - 7/31/12 at 3:29pm
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Wouldn't it just be better to grab some fast usb 3 flash drives considering the cards are more expensive? Eg. Lexar Triton (rated at 150/150MBps) 16/32 is ~$47/72 and a 95MBps UHS SDHC is ~$42/80.
Just curious.

I think it's the same thing, except you can use SDHC with cameras and other devices.
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on my ud3h latest beta, i can boot my WD external with linux mint on the 4 ports (via and intel)


guys some help here

how can i update this weird drivers?

intel 7 series c216 chipset family smbus host controller 1e22
intel 82801 pci bridge 244e
standar ahci serial ata controller

using driver max, it shows those drivers as outdated, and i have latest intel drivers for everything
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on my ud3h latest beta, i can boot my WD external with linux mint on the 4 ports (via and intel)
guys some help here
how can i update this weird drivers?
intel 7 series c216 chipset family smbus host controller 1e22
intel 82801 pci bridge 244e
standar ahci serial ata controller
using driver max, it shows those drivers as outdated, and i have latest intel drivers for everything

Are you sure you're on the newest Intel drivers? The newest are dated 7/25/2012 vs. the ones from May. Intel releases them for Intel boards before they filter them to the general chipset section. Either way, perhaps that application is comparing based on that fact. You can get the newest Intel inf from Gigabyte website under Windows 8 64bit. It is the same drivers supplied by the Intel website for their own boards.

The last one might be the Marvell sata.
 
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