**[Official]** GIGABYTE Z77X Owners/Discussion/Information/Support Thread and Club (UD5H, UD3H,... - Page 282

I made a new one lol http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HcTnvnWfF0g&feature=youtu.be

Sorry, the other was 30mins, this is 20 and more to the point, and i got a whiteboard, i figured id start teaching people how the boards work. Towards the end you'll see the white board.

Hey i need to correct you on something, your board doesn't use a VIA HUB, it uses a 4-port VIA controller. The UD5H and the G1.Sniper 3 both use the HUBs, however the UD3H uses a 4-port controller. The smart auto/auto thing has nothing to do with it. There is no driver for the hub even.

Also the remaining issues with BSOD and odd freezing have to do with PCI devices or 1394A devices which are not fully compatible, this is currently being investigated by GB and is a issue,however since not all PCI devices will cause it, only some sound cards like Audigy 2ZS and Xonar, as well as a audio production device, they are trying to find a fix for it.

IMO you shoudl contact GTS, perhaps your controller is messed up or defective. BTW it is a controller Not a HUB on the UD3H. They can reproduce it and say if they have the same issue on your side.

My VIA ports have gone through all my USB devices, from a bunch fo gaming keyboards, K8100 from GB, thermaltakes G-Unit, random dell keyboard, to gaming mice like the GB M8000X and wireless microsoft mouse, as well as my phone, my webcam, an external SSD drive, my flashcard reader, and even my printer. None of them caused me to BSOD.

Well currently the thunderbolt controllers don't use PCi-E gen3 lanes, because those only come from the CPU's PCi-E controller, and it only has 16 lanes, no one would buy a board in which their GPU only got 12x lanes lol. So manufacturers use the PCI-E 2.0 lanes from the Z77 PCH, the PCh has 8 PCi-E 2.0 lanes, and 4 of them are provided to the TB controller. However If there ever was a card, then you would have to plug it into the last slot(4X), and on the UD5h that would be PCi-E 3.0 if your CPu is PCi-E 3.0, and on the UD3H it woudl always be 2.0 b/c the last slots 4x comes from the PCH not the CPU.

Thunderbolt expansion cards would be expensive, for instance on the Up5, the thunderbolt uses this many ICs for these purposes:
The controller itself has its own BIOS ROM
It also has a single phase VRM, however the VRM has two chokes and 4-5 MOSFETs as well as a bunch of caps.
There is a HDMI switch to switch HDMI signals into the controller
Then you have a 4-bit bus switch to deal with high bandwidth data switching and hot docking of TB devices.
For the two port all of the following are in pairs because you need one per port.
There are a total of two Display Port 2:1 multiplexers which take the DP output from the PCH and take it to the TB controller/ports
There are a total of two 3.3v to 18v multiplexers to provide high voltage to the cord which needs to be powered.

That is a lot of hardware, to put on a small card. I honestly think manufacturers are a bit scared about how people will take to TB. That is why you only see a few boards with it to test the waters.

Those capacitors never change position. They are always located under the motherboard after you have filled them up above the board inside the socket, then you go on the back and fill them up.
THere are many boards which don't use all the capacitor banks filled up. If you went into a VRm and replaced all the capacitors used with capacitors with lower ESR for instance, do you know what would happen? The ripple would increase even though lower ESR dictates lower ripple. Do you know why? Because the chokes/inductors and capacitors have a symbiotic relationship, and you only use what is needed and calculated to fit. I bet if you added MLCC into the slots where you can solder them, the VRm wouldn't work, i bet you it would **** up the VRm and you would notice it in the voltage regulation.

I really have no idea why you are so set on arguing it, you must really not understand, the attack is bull****, no where is it written how GIGABYTE should make their motherboards, infact they are the sole Tier 1 motherboard manufacturer who still has its own factories, they even spend a premium and are one of the only manufacturers who has their top boards made in TW and not in China. Maybe you didn't know that.

Where do you see people complaining about BSODs? No where will you see anything like that unless they user is using a PCi device or like the guy a few posts above has an issue with a USb device.

I think GIGABYTE doesn't care about the attack that much because it was sent out to their vendors and not the media, ASUS however got a site or two to write an article about it, however that is only part of the document, ASUS wrote like a presentation comparing their boards to GIGABYTE to send to vendors like newegg. ASUS is pulling out all the tricks, for instance did you knwo t-toplogy is part of intel design spec? Not some asus creation. ASUS going to all time lows is a new thing.

here are possibilities why ASUS did what they did, that is if you are interested and not trolling, the latter seems more possible at this point.

Did you know that ASUS doesn't make their own motherboards? Earlier this year pegatron, who owns ASRock made the majority of ASUS motherboards, however apple since moved some of its contracts to pegatron, and asus sold its 30% stake in pegatron, and now needs ECS or foxconn to manufacturer their boards.

If you didn't notice recently ASUS just dropped their prices on their major Z77 models down to exactly match GIGABYTE's prices. Do you know what that means? It means ASUS couldn't sell any boards at their prices, and major retailers like newegg and others stopped purchasing them, on top of that ASUS had 1 million Z68 boards in backstock at Z77 launch.

They had to do two things, first they lowered their prices to normal levels, which GB was already at.
Then they had to get vendors to question GIGABYTE.

However here is the deal, when is the last time you ever saw GIGABYTE pull crap like this? Did you ever think they are at a point where they are focusing on their own product development and improving their quality? Did you know for the first time in a year and a half a ROG board doesn't have the best VRM quality for a series? The first time that ASUS didn't use updated components on the extreme version in comparison to the gene? Did you see GIGABYTE ever promote intel technology as if they discovered it?

When i was in TW, GB's engineers told me, listen we work on these board to improve OC compatibility, however we implement technologies, however as you requested we will not advertise them, because we prefer to beat our competitor not with marketing but with real performance. That is one reason GB's marketing isn't so technical, because they go at things differently and i really respect that. ASUS doesn't have good morals as a company they want to get to the top even if their product isn't the best, and there are many ways to do that. ASRock is taking lessons from asus and it is sad, like hiding D-PAK MOSFETs under huge heatsinks on a $150 MB, $150 MB don't usually have heatsinks like that, but I guess the heatsinks are cheaper than the MOSFETs. lol. GIGABYTE could easily point out how over inflated ASUS's pricing is, or how asus doesn't use 2oz copper PCB.

What do you want GB to say? You want GB to show you schematics of their motherboards? you are kidding yourself? When is the last time you ever saw a trace diagram of a motherboard? never? The way manufacturers draw their traces and work the PCB is very secret. You will get no response out of GB b/c there is no problem.

However i think you should get the ASUS board, because you will always doubt the GB board no matter what. ASUS has gotten into your brain, and laid its eggs. lol.

i feel like I just seriously wasted 10 minutes of my life trying to figure out how to heck to respond to something i have gone over with you over and over. What bugs me is that i feel like you just show up once a week to post in here and ask about this, that is like what Raja does.