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HI folks, i'm looking for advice on clocking this badboy, - ive tried several different ways using several different links, but to no avail, it seems as if either the cpu or mobo doesnt like what i do, even using ai overclock, it will boot, post and give me 3d mark scores, but the next minute it wont boot, - even when i change the voltage or even decrease the o/c to 15% and the usual reset jumper, the pc definately doesnt like the ram being set to 1:1, sometimes it seems as if it doesnt like it manually set to 2t and timings manually entered, even after flashing bios many times using floppy disk method, i have posted several links, which im sure if i was to receive help would probably be posted to me anyway. my confusion mainly comes from the fact i need definate bios settings - i understand no 2 rigs will clock the sme, - but surely bios settings (ie virt tech, usb legacy disabled etc etc) have to be the same across the board.
Links i have followed are as follows:


http://www.overclock.net/t/167489/asus-p5n32-e-overclocking-guide


http://cdr-info.com/Sections/Reviews/Specific.aspx?ArticleId=19557&PageId=10

on this link it does different things each time i boot - in other words if i use these bios settings - (except for ram timings etc which i set to my ram timings) every time i boot - something different happens - (lets say its easier to say all this than type it),
Hence why i have re-re-re-flashed my bios i may even try to flash it back to 1801

http://www.pcstats.com/articleview.cfm?articleid=2104&page=5


Once i did have it @3.8 which was stable in 3d marks but immediatley failed in prime
Any help would be greatly appreciated

To add, im gonna have about 100 quid to spend at some point in the near future, and the cpu(preferably) is what i want to keep, so its either ram or mobo thats gonna have to go. i know there are isues with this board and ram @stock, and i also know there could be issues clocking the board with this cpu - but as we all know here - if i could turn my 3litre bmw into a 3.7 or whatever free or reasonably cheap - I/WE would all do it.

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Well, first of all...you know to disable C1E, speedstep and all that stuff....so do that first.

Next step, should be to find some sort of starting vcore. 1.35-1.40v should be a fine enough starting vcore for that chip.

Set your RAM down to 1:1. If at stock you have a 266 FSB, then this will result in DDR2-533 or 266MHz. Set your RAM timings manually to the settings they call for (5-5-5-15 is a good default).

Now...start raising your FSB in increments, and lock your CPU's multipler at whatever stock is. You should be able to start off at 333 FSB assuming your multiplier isn't TOO high, as 333 is another "stock" FSB speed. And then you should be able to work up from there. If it fails, add a little more vcore.

As far as upgrades...honestly that's a 775 system. You're going to be hard pressed to find upgrades for that system that are even worth the money. If anything, I'd be looking at RAM and maybe a Q6600 (and a new OS, as 32bit Windows won't work correctly with 4GB or more of RAM). But even then, the money on the old DDR2, and Q6600...could be saved and spent better elsewhere.

EDIT:
Your chip is 3.0GHz, 333 x 9. So 1:1 on your RAM will put you at DDR2-667. Start off with say 1.40-1.45v to keep things easy. And try going up from there slowly. If you hit a wall, try going over it (say 350 FSB posts, but 360 does not...try 375-380, or even 400).

Also, keep in mind that this is an original Core 2 Duo chip. It won't really overclock THAT far. 3.6-3.8 is about as high as you're going to get, with a good bit of voltage.
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Hi again pioneer,
First off, yes i know my way around the bios, if i leave it at stock and unlink my ram, it wont boot, if i change my ram timings to 5-5-5-18(as defined by ram the pc doesnt seem to like the unlin, so i left the ram timings to default, and it still didnt like it, sometimes it wouldnt boot, somtimes it would stay at a black screen and not even post, - if i manually change my ram down to 667 its the sme - either doesnt boot or something, - i will go back to basics and try all you advised and post back with more(definative) findings, but hopefully your head wont be pickled as mine.

I keep my m/p @9 as ive read these cpus dont like less than 9 - when i reset cmos the m/p automatically goes to 6 so i have to set that manually @9.
I will post back soon.
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Hi again pioneer,
First off, yes i know my way around the bios, if i leave it at stock and unlink my ram, it wont boot, if i change my ram timings to 5-5-5-18(as defined by ram the pc doesnt seem to like the unlin, so i left the ram timings to default, and it still didnt like it, sometimes it wouldnt boot, somtimes it would stay at a black screen and not even post, - if i manually change my ram down to 667 its the sme - either doesnt boot or something, - i will go back to basics and try all you advised and post back with more(definative) findings, but hopefully your head wont be pickled as mine.

I keep my m/p @9 as ive read these cpus dont like less than 9 - when i reset cmos the m/p automatically goes to 6 so i have to set that manually @9.
I will post back soon.
regards
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I don't recall exactly what the settings are on that chipset for RAM.....

But you'll definitely want a lower RAM divider if you're overclocking. 1:1 is usually preferred with 775, especially low multi processors like yours (9x). 400 FSB x 9 multi would give you 3.6GHz, and DDR2-800 with 1:1. It could just be that your motherboard hates your RAM. Older Asus boards were really picky.

And like I said, keep in mind that this IS a Conroe based chip. They don't clock all THAT far. 3.6-3.8GHz is going to be about as far as you'll get with around 1.55v (as my best guess). You might have a lucky chip, you might not.
 
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Hi pioneer, right ive done as you said, except i couldnt manually change ram speed unless ram was "unlinked" if i do that then i cant set divider to 1:1 so i still done "linked" and done 1:1 done all other bios settings(disbaled hpet, legacy usb etc etc) when booted it gave 1 long continous beep, i restarted it and it went to post and i got the new cpu message - romsip table updating, and then got the long beep again.
My guess is there is clearly something im doing it does not like, should i flash my bios back to an earlier revision?
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Hi pioneer, right ive done as you said, except i couldnt manually change ram speed unless ram was "unlinked" if i do that then i cant set divider to 1:1 so i still done "linked" and done 1:1 done all other bios settings(disbaled hpet, legacy usb etc etc) when booted it gave 1 long continous beep, i restarted it and it went to post and i got the new cpu message - romsip table updating, and then got the long beep again.
My guess is there is clearly something im doing it does not like, should i flash my bios back to an earlier revision?
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It's probably a weird RAM divider issue. Just keep things at stock first, and see what you can come up with for a RAM divider. Play around with that until you can get it to POST and boot to Windows with lowered RAM speeds (but stock timings). Once you can do that, take a screenshot of CPUz showing the CPU and the Memory tabs (just open CPUz twice). That should give us a very good starting point, to determine how things are running right now.

If your RAM is already being reported as 333MHz (DDR2-667), then that's a good thing. But its very likely its at 400MHz or DDR2-800, as that's USUALLY the stock speed.
 
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Something for you to chew on smile.gif

 

http://www.overclock.net/t/167489/asus-p5n32-e-overclocking-guide/0_30

 

 

An overclocking guide for that board, I used to have the same board, it was a good few years ago now, but very well known for being a bad quad core overclocking board because the weak/lack of power phases

 


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Hi folks, right my findings so far are, i have to have linked for my ram, cpu shows it as 1;1 ram unlinked i do not get to set ram timings manually - also until i set my fsbqdr to 1600 i was getting 1:1

now its showing 6:5 ratio thats at 1600fsb qdr - its booting fine
Also ram v is set to auto, as my ram should be 1.8 and this board doesnt go below 1.85, vcore is set to 1.4 in bios
-2012-apr-7-002.jpg 323k .jpg file
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Edit, sorry pioneer, i didnt see your post about leaving "Just keep things at stock first, and see what you can come up with for a RAM divider"
i shall go back and change that back to how you would like it
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Hi folks, right my findings so far are, i have to have linked for my ram, cpu shows it as 1;1 ram unlinked i do not get to set ram timings manually - also until i set my fsbqdr to 1600 i was getting 1:1

now its showing 6:5 ratio thats at 1600fsb qdr - its booting fine
Also ram v is set to auto, as my ram should be 1.8 and this board doesnt go below 1.85, vcore is set to 1.4 in bios
-2012-apr-7-002.jpg 323k .jpg file
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Edit, sorry pioneer, i didnt see your post about leaving "Just keep things at stock first, and see what you can come up with for a RAM divider"
i shall go back and change that back to how you would like it
first smile.gif

Hmm, well that seems to be working fine. So I'd start off from where you're at now, and work your way on up then. Make sure that 3.6GHz passes Prime95 blend stable though (12 hours for your FINAL overclock, 20-30 minutes between settings).

If you fail, first things first would be to raise your vcore some more, and watch the temperatures (keep them below 70*C). Like I stated before, 3.6-3.8GHz is the high point for Conroe chips, except the really good ones. You could already be near the max overclock already, and need a good bit more voltage to stabilize.
 
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i have the same processor and im thinking to get rid of it....
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