[OCN Gaming] Minecraft Survival Server [MagicSpells | Factions] [150 Slots] [Bukkit 1.5] *Beta* - Page 69

Just to comment on a few things here. I didn't like factions at first and i was honestly a much bigger fan of zmod until i started to draw out how much land you can actually get with as little as a 3 person faction. Its quite interesting. I found it to be a fun challenge though to locate everything i wanted and ensuring absolute safety built off of worst case scenario What-Ifs. I agree that money over trade takes from "survival" but from my experience playing i've never used money. I always trade goods for goods, i could be mistaken but i think this is most common between traders?

As far as the "dont change it" and "cant please every person", this is a fairly new server that they've opened to the public prior to be ready. The changing of plug ins and rules are to help create a server that people will enjoy playing on. The idea is making a server people will like, not a server that one person said "hey i like this and if you guys dont like it dont come" because then people wont come. The change is clearly for the better and is being pusher further every day and my understanding is that it'll all be settled by the end of the week.

So sit back and hold on tight, the rides been bumpy but its going to end soon. Things will smooth out, plug ins wont be changing like you change you underwear and rules should be more set in stone. I hope this helps ease your pain

You're the one that started it, and the one making a fuss. Just saying.

Guys about Zmod there are literally dozens of drawbacks to that plugin, I will give that it worked, but not as well as factions now does.

zmod is going to be removed once faction configs are 100% complete. right now they are about 98% complete.

Deal with it? I'm not going to "deal with" builders abusing their creative mode by flying in my base. This kind of behavior is completely inappropriate regardless of where the base is.

People with creative are building the new spawn, though they should not be flying around in other areas. Still I'm sure they were just looking.



Consistency coming soon. Not easy tweaking a server to the best possible outcome for everyone with so many people giving good input. We want to include everything but we just cant fit it all on one server. Perhaps some of it will spill onto another server...

I'm pretty much sitting patiently, waiting for everything to pan out, but I do feel like giving an opinion on a few things hit on in this thread recently.

Perhaps I am missing conversations on mumble or other places, but I honestly don't get the vibe that this server is being crafted through any kind of input from the server population as a whole. It mostly seems like a certain group of people are crafting things to fit the play style they want and going from there. I haven't seen any kind of polls in this thread or in the game in chat.

The amount of work that appears to be going into things like spawn or whatever else you guys are making seems incredible, and I can't wait to see it all. But the plugin selection and how the gameplay itself is being crafted seems to be tailored to certain people who have the pull around town.

If that's how you guys are doing things, fine. At the end of the day it's your server and you guys are putting in the work. It just seems like there's this show of how it's for us when it really seems to be for you/them. Don't take that the wrong way. This isn't a personal attack.

Other than some points already hit on in the thread, somewhat of an example of that would be the shops being built. It was said that the mods and people building them get first dibs. It was asked how many there would be and I think it was said something like 16. When someone asked, "Well what about players 17 and up?", there was kind of an afterthought of "Well we'll just build down into a basement." So the mods (very Mountain Hold heavy, mind you) might all have shops and then everyone else gets the basements. With that kind of structure, it really seems like the things are less being built for "us" and are more being built for the people building them.

At the end of the day with that example, the question begs "well fine then, how are we supposed to pick who gets shops then?"

I don't know with that number. I guess build more shops on an even playing field instead of sticking everyone else in basements or build upward into something else. I'm really not that experienced with Minecraft "malls" and how they normally work, honestly.

We have yet to see the final product, so maybe other arrangements have been made with everything and I may be off base by now. Like I said, I'm just explaining the overall vibes I've been getting from frequenting the server.

The shop setup has been greatly improved. There should be no need to worry about the number of owners for quite some time.

Well that's good to hear.

I guess, at the end of the day, with how this server originally started out, I guess many were just expecting there to be a new spawn built, a mall, and then everyone is just sent out to survive and make their way as they wish. Now it seems like we're slowly being herded like cattle into something else entirely that I'm not sure the majority wants. I have no way to know since, as said, there really hasn't been any polling or idea collecting outside the developers from what I gather. But there obviously has been some concern voiced.

I'm not really against factions or any of the other changes, probably mostly from me being ignorant to it and wanting to see if I actually like it or not. Maybe all the cool things being built will be revealed and an explanation of how all the plugins work will be put in the first post and there will be a miraculous moment of acceptance from everyone. I'll just be sitting tight over here.

It's mostly just the people who speak up and actually take time to help out that are influencing the changes. Like you said, there was no poll or anything. I think that most of the people who don't want the changes don't really know what they are and just base their thoughts off of vague remarks from the people working on it.

The changes will in no way force people to change the way they play, they are just improving the primitive system we have now. The goal of this is to make everything easier to use and work better, while ensuring that we won't have to go through a process like this again in the future.