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How does Asrock compare to the deluxe? Seems like many people on other forums are wanting reviews on this board claiming the deluxe is "dated"...
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157299

Seems like this board is better (and cheaper).. not a fan of the fatal1ty branding though, and my CPU waterblock has a blue LED on it which wouldn't match with the board. 16+8 phase VRMs though... and it's quite a bit cheaper.

I'd still opt for the Asus board.
  • Digital PWM. ASRock supposedly lacks this (source).
  • Longer warranty (3 years vs. 1 year).
  • More PCIe x1 slots (if that matters to you).
  • Doesn't have the douchbag's face in the BIOS.
  • ASMedia USB 3.0. Etron is horrible.
  • Onboard bluetooth.
  • Onboard wifi.
  • Intel LAN.
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I personally don't think that many phases is actually needed..... Sin0822 said it best in the other thread
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PS. it is know-nothing reviewers like YOU who give reviewers like me a bad name, it is also reviewers like YOU that overclockers hate to the bare bone. Not ONLY do you make judgments on phase counts, but you push your ignorance onto your readers, and it is really sad that andatech is one of the largest sites, because of what you just wrote. Now because of you now gigabyte is going to think it needs higher phase counts, however this way they have it here is PERFECT!!!!!!! this is the optimal VRM, I don't want more phases than that. I am telling you this as an LN2 OCer as well as one which pushes stuff to their limits, you are giving everyone here a bad name, because there are actually people out there who know better than to just count phases. So if there was a ROG board in there too would you have just counted phases?

I take that as having more that many VRM's while nice are not really necessary. Hell people have been getting very good overclocks on regular 8+4 phase... so it's just up to you, if you feel the need of having more VRM's + phases then go for it..... and i believe the reason that the asrocks board is cheaper than the asus one is because the asus one uses Digital VRM's while ASrock uses analog.... not sure of the differences but yea...
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I personally don't think that many phases is actually needed..... Sin0822 said it best in the other thread
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PS. it is know-nothing reviewers like YOU who give reviewers like me a bad name, it is also reviewers like YOU that overclockers hate to the bare bone. Not ONLY do you make judgments on phase counts, but you push your ignorance onto your readers, and it is really sad that andatech is one of the largest sites, because of what you just wrote. Now because of you now gigabyte is going to think it needs higher phase counts, however this way they have it here is PERFECT!!!!!!! this is the optimal VRM, I don't want more phases than that. I am telling you this as an LN2 OCer as well as one which pushes stuff to their limits, you are giving everyone here a bad name, because there are actually people out there who know better than to just count phases. So if there was a ROG board in there too would you have just counted phases?
I take that as having more that many VRM's while nice are not really necessary. Hell people have been getting very good overclocks on regular 8+4 phase... so it's just up to you, if you feel the need of having more VRM's + phases then go for it..... and i believe the reason that the asrocks board is cheaper than the asus one is because the asus one uses Digital VRM's while ASrock uses analog.... not sure of the differences but yea...

From that quote I can already tell his post is a load of who-ha. What would be the point in adding more phases to the VRM with each generation, if they ultimately serve no purpose? Several of the Z68 boards are 4 phase on the CPU, try overclocking on them and you'll burn out half of them in a week. While some of the manufactures pushed out 8 phase VRM's, which are the ones you'll want to get for holding anything above 4.5Ghz on Sandy Bridge. The more phases a VRM has to more efficient the power is to the socket. When you have spikes with the power to your CPU socket, it can cause random machine lockups. Again without the release of the processors we cannot make any judgment based on information we do not know. The only thing that we do know is the more phases, the better.
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post #54 of 105
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I'd still opt for the Asus board.
  • Digital PWM. ASRock supposedly lacks this (source).
  • Longer warranty (3 years vs. 1 year).
  • More PCIe x1 slots (if that matters to you).
  • Doesn't have the douchbag's face in the BIOS.
  • ASMedia USB 3.0. Etron is horrible.
  • Onboard bluetooth.
  • Onboard wifi.
  • Intel LAN.

1 year warranty raises flags for me. That's incredibly short for a motherboard. The Sabertooth is cheaper and looks better, but i'm really worried it won't overclock Ivy as well. Sabertooth also has a 5 year warranty, and the deluxe has 3.. which is kind of disappointing. I'll be buying before Ivy NDA lifts.. to avoid having to wait for an out of stock motherboard when I get my 3770k.

Might just pull the trigger on this tonight:
http://www.amazon.com/Deluxe-Intel-Motherboard-P8Z77-V-DELUXE/dp/B007G51VEQ/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1333933089&sr=8-2
Edited by Murlocke - 4/8/12 at 6:03pm
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From that quote I can already tell his post is a load of who-ha. What would be the point in adding more phases to the VRM with each generation, if they ultimately serve no purpose? Several of the Z68 boards are 4 phase on the CPU, try overclocking on them and you'll burn out half of them in a week. While some of the manufactures pushed out 8 phase VRM's, which are the ones you'll want to get for holding anything above 4.5Ghz on Sandy Bridge. The more phases a VRM has to more efficient the power is to the socket. When you have spikes with the power to your CPU socket, it can cause random machine lockups. Again without the release of the processors we cannot make any judgment based on information we do not know. The only thing that we do know is the more phases, the better.

True, but it's overkill when you get past a certain amount. LGA 1156 was a good example of this.

Here's a good article about the subject: http://www.improbableinsights.com/2009/08/28/do-i-need-32-phase-power-on-my-motherboard/
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1 year warranty raises flags for me. That's incredibly short for a motherboard.

Might just pull the trigger on this tonight:
http://www.amazon.com/Deluxe-Intel-Motherboard-P8Z77-V-DELUXE/dp/B007G51VEQ/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1333933089&sr=8-2

I would. BTW, I think SuperBiiz might have it a little cheaper after shipping and using the promo code HOP2IT. But if you have Amazon Prime, I'd rather take advantage of that. biggrin.gif
Edited by SimpleTech - 4/8/12 at 6:03pm
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I would. BTW, I think SuperBiiz might have it a little cheaper after shipping and using the promo code HOP2IT. But if you have Amazon Prime, I'd rather take advantage of that. biggrin.gif

Yup, I have prime.. it really is a lifesaver. thumb.gif
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From that quote I can already tell his post is a load of who-ha. What would be the point in adding more phases to the VRM with each generation, if they ultimately serve no purpose? Several of the Z68 boards are 4 phase on the CPU, try overclocking on them and you'll burn out half of them in a week. While some of the manufactures pushed out 8 phase VRM's, which are the ones you'll want to get for holding anything above 4.5Ghz on Sandy Bridge. The more phases a VRM has to more efficient the power is to the socket. When you have spikes with the power to your CPU socket, it can cause random machine lockups. Again without the release of the processors we cannot make any judgment based on information we do not know. The only thing that we do know is the more phases, the better.

I am not saying buy a 4+1 board to oc. I am just saying up to a certain point phases and VRM's are redundant? And what matters is the quality of the components used. Just looking at the Gene V it only has 8+4 Phase, the Sabertooth has 8+4 phase, And even z68's Maximus Extreme Z had 8+4 phase. Which are the boards marketed towards OCer's and the lot....
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I am not saying buy a 4+1 board to oc. I am just saying up to a certain point phases and VRM's are redundant? And what matters is the quality of the components used. Just looking at the Gene V it only has 8+4 Phase, the Sabertooth has 8+4 phase, And even z68's Maximus Extreme Z had 8+4 phase. Which are the boards marketed towards OCer's and the lot....

You must of missed the memo, the Sabertooth is no longer a high end board for ASUS (their marketing team has made that clear). It's more over a quality board at a affordable price now. And yes previous generation Z68 boards all maxed out to 8 phase. The only boards that had 16 phase at that time was the x79 platform. In which most could hit 4.8-5.0Ghz stable on a hex core! That only makes me wonder what 16 phases will do for a quad core with a lower power requirement. If the heat issues were only a minor fix or bad rumor, and the Ivy chips meet expectations. I think 5.0Ghz will become the norm for this edging in generation. With the slight IPC improvement, Ivy will be more then enough to satisfy any load a home user can put on it.




... tho I could be wrong. lachen.gif
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ok, I'm confused. Someone set me straight. I'm under the impression that if I get a Sabertooth Z77 paired with an Ivy, but for now with facts out, say just a i7 2600K, on air like the 212+ I could OC to 4.8 24/7 stable. Have I been wrong in my thinking?
 
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