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Couple of very minor updates. Now rig's nominated for Oct12 MOTM tongue.gif see if I can get more than 0 votes tongue.gif

Time to fire up my soldering iron and fix some capacitors on my Belkin FW800 card, also check the repaired power connector is still good. Replacing the FDD power connector on the USB3.0 card with something more solid, like a full angled molex connector. Hope traces on the PCB are there... rolleyes.gif


Also time to tidy up the cards modular cables, now better fit and no loops. If you like it and have a wide enough case, you can set up cabling for auxiliary card power like this. All my mods are open source! thumb.gif


Also, seems that leaving SLOT3 empty, with SAS card on SLOT1 and SSD in SLOT2, had some trouble, sometimes system wouldn't reboot, just a blank screen (but the SAS card booted up properly, since its onboard buzzer sounds to indicate various things.). Now going back to previous setup, i.e. SSD moved to SLOT3 and SLOT2 empty, it seems to work... rolleyes.gif
Edited by pm40elys40 - 3/4/13 at 6:29am
    
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New power connector seems to work fine. smile.gif and maybe I found why sys sometimes didn't reboot, Promise SAS cards don't work with 256-bytes PCIE payload (can be set 128/256 on Intel 5520 chipset) and that was OK but L0/L1 link state power management sometimes causes trouble with cards, had set it to ON now returned to OFF we'll see.
    
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Current HWMON64 tonight in idle.
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Unfortunately in dual monitor setup heat from the video card heats up the SAS card battery frown.gif now I'm gonna try some fan revision down there.
    
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Just curious how does the 1000w PSU handle all the needed power for that amount of equipment?

I'm putting together parts for a similar build, albeit less parts but a bunch of hard drives and I'm calculating out that I will need 2200w of power to run it all. I currently have a 1200w AX1200, but didn't think it would be enough.redface.gif
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To calculate power you have to consider maximum consumption of all parts you're gonna put in your build.
In my case, the two Xeon CPUs have a TDP of 2x80W that goes up to 2x95W when Intel Turbo Boost kicks in (normal: 2.267 GHz 4C Turbo: 2.4 GHz 2C Turbo: 2.53 GHz). Coretemp64 can read out the internal CPU power meter and those are the values (I remember, 79W and 93.5W).
For RAM, it depends on how many channels you drive, how many modules per channel and if you use LP-DDR3 (1.35V, less power) or overclock, usually standard RAM sticks have little wattage requirements, on my Tyan S7025 each Xeon CPU can drive only one DIMM per channel (with exception of CH0, 2 modules), so it is not a problem, it can become for example if you place 18 DIMMs on the S7012 which can accomodate 3 sticks per channel, and in fact it has a heftier VRM section for memory.
Motherboard: depends on how many onboard peripherals you have, not much power from desktop USB/SATA controllers (just chip power, not port power), instead pro LAN/SAS controllers can require 15/30W. Latest desktop chipsets are single-chip and designed for minimum heat and TDP while server line usually not (esp my dual 5520 setup that can drive 72 PCIE lanes).
Expansion cards: by specification, a PCIE connection (v1.1/2.0, power increase from v2.1/3.0 should not be taken into account because it would render a 3.0 card unusable in a 2.0 slot) can supply 75W of power but only when wired to a X16 slot, if it is wired to a X1 slot power goes down to 25W, like a PCI slot. Then if you only use cards without auxiliary power you can easily calculate max power for expansion slots.
Expansion cards with aux power: usually USB3.0/FW cards. A USB3.0 port handles 900mA in 3.0 mode (round to 1A), so account 5W for every USB3.0 port you have. USB2.0 ports are similar but require 2.5W per port; Firewire uses the 12V line and if I remember correctly have a max power requirement of 25W per port (devices can be daisy-chained).
Graphics cards: account 75Wx2 for one 6P card, 75Wx3 for one 6Px2, 75Wx4 for one 6P+8P card. The PEG8P connector just adds two more ground lines and on the card one of the 2 additional pins can have floating pull-up for detect which type of PEG connector you plug in.
SSDs: Sandforce based SSDs usually take up 2.3W, Marvell 88SS9174 1.2/1.5W, all drives always <2.5W (max continuous TDP for a 2.5" laptop HDD). A OCZ RevoDrive is 20W, 25W for X2 versions.
HDDs: it all depends on which model you use. Older 3.5" 7200RPM drives (roughly until 2008) normally had a high spin-up current inrush (usually 2 to 3 times the current stated on the label), modern-days drives are designed to reduce spin-up current to slightly more than what stated on label and exactly that or even less on Green series (i.e. WD ultra-low-power spinup setting). As a general rule, account 10W for each standard 3.5" HDD (i.e. WD Blue/WD Red/WD RE4-GP/Seagate Barracuda), 7.5W for low power series (i.e. WD Green/Seagate Green), 15W for performance (i.e. WD Black/WD RE4/old 3" WD Raptor), 25W for server-class (Seagate/Toshiba/Fujitsu 15KRPM); Velociraptors are indeed 2.5" drives, they fall in the 10W spot. Problem with HDDs is at startup: desktop drives on a cheap controller card or on chipset, start all at the same time, this ain't a problem on normal desktops where there's <4 drives, it is on large arrays where a good HW engine controller card and enterprise class drives would be desirable, since both support staggered or serialized startup, this greatly reduces initial current requirements of the storage department. If you have a good SAS card but don't want to invest on high grade drives, you should get Greens, since desktop drives simply won't obey the controller's commands and just spin up all at the same time, with Greens there's less risk of overload if you're tight on PSU. My RE4 drives do start in sequence instead, one after the other.

Will take out my power meter and do some measures wink.gif based on the UPS power meter, start draw is always <400W.
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For now I will go with the 135 fan reversed, it blows towards the window panel but at least it does not direct 60deg hot air to the SAS card BBU (Li-Ion rolleyes.gif), also will swap SAS and SSD positions. This until I can get in the basement to do some mods on the Spitfire, I have something in mind, it would reduce cooling surface by about 15% but would allow for "integrated fitting" of a 120x120x12 fan or a standard 120x120x25 with decent air clearance on exhaust. Will be a challenging task for my Bosch multi-cutter... biggrin.gif
    
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Ordered a spare Spitfire, arriving Tuesday. So I got downstairs with one of my tools cases... drum.gif


Serious casemodders should immediately know the purpose of this work... biggrin.gif
Now a little filing and polishing, then I'm ready to try it out tongue.gif
Edited by pm40elys40 - 3/4/13 at 6:30am
    
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Filing and polishing finished, just replaced Spitfire on the card. Now testing various fans for exhaust flow.
And finally found and ordered two good old Thermalright TY-140 PWM fans to put on my NH-D14 heatsinks, I had one bought in 2010 and tested it on exhaust: thumb.gif so now I'm placing two on the CPUs. Not sure about performance of the new TY-141, specs are the same but blades are different. No go for the noisy (45 dBA!) TY-143 sold with the Silver Arrow SBE Extreme.
    
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Mounted temporary LED fans on CPUs and graphics card, waiting for the TY-140s. Enermax UCEV12 on graphics, blowing towards the panel without metal duct. It somewhat heats up CPU0 above it but I wanted to test efficiency of my Spitfire mod: now keeping the fan recessed allows for use of a slim 1/2" thick fan totally flush, or a standard 1" thick fan with front room equivalent to a Lian-Li BS06/07/08 slot cooler. This Enermax fan spins 1050RPM: current Quadro 4000 temperature in dual-screen mode, 42°C. specool.gif remember: I reduced cooling surface by about 10%, before with a 135 or 120 slim both 800RPM I would get 52°C on single screen, 60°C on dual screen mode. thumb.gif Now I'm brainstorming a new exhaust duct, derived from my BS06B black slot cooler (modded).

HWMON data, PWM setting 60%
CPU0 42°C
CPU1 38°C
Graphics 42°C
CPU0_FAN 1000RPM
CPU1_FAN 1000RPM
REAR_FAN 1200RPM
HDD_FAN 810RPM
GRAPHICS_FAN 1075RPM
INTAKE_FAN 850RPM

Preparing for the showcase pics in MOTM biggrin.gif
Edited by pm40elys40 - 10/27/12 at 5:51pm
    
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