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Move pagefile to HDD? what u smokin? biggrin.gif thats more counter-productive than anything.
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My problem is that I have just bought an Asus n56vz with windows 8 pre-installed. There are no disks supplied with the macine or Ai backup or even a product key. I want to replace the internal hard drive with an ssd and install windows 8 on it. How doo I do it? (Ive tried making a recovery disk and partition on a usb but that only gives me the option to repair and not to install) TIA
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From the INTEL SSD Toolbox.........................


"In Microsoft Windows Vista* and Windows 7*, Superfetch* tracks and copies your most frequently used applications to system memory to reduce load times. Superfetch is based on the similar Prefetch feature available in Windows XP. Superfetch/Prefetch is not needed on an Intel SSD under Windows 7 or Windows Vista, and should be disabled for optimal performance.

In Microsoft Windows 8*, Superfetch functions differently than in previous versions of Windows, and should not be disabled for an Intel SSD."

unquote!
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From the Intel SSD Toolbox - for an Intel 520 240GB SSD

"In Microsoft Windows Vista* and Windows 7*, Superfetch* tracks and copies your most frequently used applications to system memory to reduce load times. Superfetch is based on the similar Prefetch feature available in Windows XP. Superfetch/Prefetch is not needed on an Intel SSD under Windows 7 or Windows Vista, and should be disabled for optimal performance.

In Microsoft Windows 8*, Superfetch functions differently than in previous versions of Windows, and should not be disabled for an Intel SSD."

Is that plain enough?
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Well what makes windows 8's super fetch so much better to leave it on? I still don't see a reason to leave it on.
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In Microsoft Windows 8*, Superfetch functions differently than in previous versions of Windows, and should not be disabled for an Intel SSD."

But why, why shouldn't it be disabled? What has changed with the new super fetch? There's still not enough information to leave it on other then Intel telling me to.
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Oh, whatever, up to you mate, if you disregard Intel advice then as I say up to you, sometimes you cannot help some people, you choose what you want to believe, all I am posting is some info from Intel (who designed the SSD) and if it helps anyone who isn't sure about how to set it up and as with loads of Microsoft bumf, there is a conflict - at least they have the info and can make their own choices.

The Win 8 optimization seemed to me like a cut and paste, it was assumed (I might be wrong who knows) that Win 8 was the same as Win 7 - I don't think so - looks like MS have sorted some things out.

Anyway, take what advice you want, if someone tells you to hit your SSD with a sledgehammer and you decide to do it - up to you - you asked for a link, I gave you a link from Intel - your choice not mine - but I have enabled Superfetch and Prefetch (I have also REENABLED PAGEFILE ON MY SSD AS I TOO CAN BE WRONG!!!!- I got a little confused after reading an article by Sinofsky, but it should have been directed at RAMDRIVE and NOT Pagefile! - I stand corrected and apologise if I mislead anyone) As far as I understand, Prefetch allows me to get a preview of a Kindle book on Amazon, and Superfetch delivers it really quickly. I still stand my ground about the System Restore as it never works! Nor does the Imagefile - System Image Backup and restore - another joke up MS 's sleeve!
Edited by Miggins - 11/8/12 at 4:50am
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I found this in the Intel 520 SSD Setup Help File too - "Whoever so chooseth to disable thy Superfetch or Prefetch services in their Windows 8 operating system will be cast out of heaven and burned upon a pyre of slowly burning sticks that shall smoulder for the rest of eternity, signed Intel - The Management! Disregard this ORDER at your peril you scum! You have been warned INTEL!
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I don't know, I think I'd rather have the other hard drive manufacturers comment on whether superfetch is recommended for their HDDs or not as some of these have built in diagnostic tools. I don't really reboot my PC much so I don't mind having only the boot up programs prefetched. About pagefile, I hear the same mixed reactions to disabling it or lowering it; I keep mine set to max at around 3GB for the 8GB of RAM I have as I don't really think I need anymore. Right, I have it start up at like 512mb for the programs that actually do rely on it and can't start up even without it. mad.gif
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Hi, thanks for updating this for Windows 8 as I know a few of these things were helpful to me in Windows 7. Regarding Superfetch, I liked when I disabled it in Windows 7 but this defragmenting program, MyDefrag, has some issues if you completely disable it so I've gotten used to just making it work on boot files only (value set to 2 in the registry); I guess I want to ask if the same values work in Win 8 that I used in Win 7?
I think. You really don't even need to change superfetch, just leave as is.
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Another thing is the Windows System Protection feature, this is the third time I've disabled it but something keeps turning it back on.. what could be doing that?
I have no clue. redface.gif

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My problem is that I have just bought an Asus n56vz with windows 8 pre-installed. There are no disks supplied with the macine or Ai backup or even a product key. I want to replace the internal hard drive with an ssd and install windows 8 on it. How doo I do it? (Ive tried making a recovery disk and partition on a usb but that only gives me the option to repair and not to install) TIA
Use cloning software. Or make a system image and restore to the SSD.

You will probably have to shrink the OS partition first.

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From the INTEL SSD Toolbox.........................


"In Microsoft Windows Vista* and Windows 7*, Superfetch* tracks and copies your most frequently used applications to system memory to reduce load times. Superfetch is based on the similar Prefetch feature available in Windows XP. Superfetch/Prefetch is not needed on an Intel SSD under Windows 7 or Windows Vista, and should be disabled for optimal performance.

In Microsoft Windows 8*, Superfetch functions differently than in previous versions of Windows, and should not be disabled for an Intel SSD."

unquote!

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From the Intel SSD Toolbox - for an Intel 520 240GB SSD

"In Microsoft Windows Vista* and Windows 7*, Superfetch* tracks and copies your most frequently used applications to system memory to reduce load times. Superfetch is based on the similar Prefetch feature available in Windows XP. Superfetch/Prefetch is not needed on an Intel SSD under Windows 7 or Windows Vista, and should be disabled for optimal performance.

In Microsoft Windows 8*, Superfetch functions differently than in previous versions of Windows, and should not be disabled for an Intel SSD."

Is that plain enough?
It it is not, I asked for links. I need more information on it rather than just a note from intel saying not to on Intel SSDs...

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Is it really that hard to give a link to two, but easier to just yell and complain with no backup evidence or proof?
Do you even know what superfetch does?
Why would you disable system restore or move the page file to a HDD? Do you even know anything on those? lol
Just calm down and send me some links. thumb.gif

The reason I disable system restore and move the pagefile is simply because of space - If I let win 8 manage my pagefile on the C drive it hogs 48GB of space out of 240GB
...you know you can just set it manually to whatever size you need right? lol
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and the same goes for system restore, it hogs another 15GB or so of space straight off.
Again, you can simply adjust to what you need.
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I posted the link to the Intel reccomendation that contradicts your advice on turning off Superfetch, take a look, that is from Intel. I won't argue with them.
What link?
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Pagefile and System Restore are more of a personal choice - If my system goes down the pan, I have no problem in installing the software again as in Win 7, System Restore never ever worked - nor did "Repair My Computer" nor did any of the Win 7 diagnostics - "Startup Repair" was a complete joke - wait two hours and then have the piece of junk tell you it was unable to repair anything - SFC/Scannow - another piece of useless junk - nothing Microsoft attempts to create that will fix a system that is F??CKED ever works - you are wasting your time!
bahaha, System restore has never failed me. biggrin.gif
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Pagefile for me just hogs valuable space and works fine if I stick it on my second of 4 drives, at least it isn't hogging 40+ GB of SSD Memory.
You can set it to like 1-2GB lol.

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Oh, whatever, up to you mate, if you disregard Intel advice then as I say up to you, sometimes you cannot help some people, you choose what you want to believe, all I am posting is some info from Intel (who designed the SSD) and if it helps anyone who isn't sure about how to set it up and as with loads of Microsoft bumf, there is a conflict - at least they have the info and can make their own choices.
Yep, thank you. I am going to add what Intel says to the guide. biggrin.gif
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The Win 8 optimization seemed to me like a cut and paste, it was assumed (I might be wrong who knows) that Win 8 was the same as Win 7 - I don't think so - looks like MS have sorted some things out.
Yep, I've looked into some of the things and took out what are not needed such as checking on defrag b/c windows 8 now when it detects a SSD will manually run TRIM for them. smile.gif
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Anyway, take what advice you want, if someone tells you to hit your SSD with a sledgehammer and you decide to do it - up to you - you asked for a link, I gave you a link from Intel - your
Actually you did not. I need more than just a quote from that. I want to actually know why I shouldn't. What makes it so much different.
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choice not mine - but I have enabled Superfetch and Prefetch (I have also REENABLED PAGEFILE ON MY SSD AS I TOO CAN BE WRONG!!!!- I got a little confused after reading an article by Sinofsky, but it should have been directed at RAMDRIVE and NOT Pagefile! - I stand corrected and apologise if I mislead anyone)
i personally don't bother with messing with superfetch and prefetch myself and usually gets left alone in my systems anyways haha.
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As far as I understand, Prefetch allows me to get a preview of a Kindle book on Amazon, and Superfetch delivers it really quickly.
Metaphorically or literally?

Here is a good description of how prefetch and superprefetch work: http://members.rushmore.com/~jsky/id37.html
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Windows Vista's Superfetch builds on a technology introduced in Windows XP called Prefetch. Prefetching is a process in which the operating system loads key pieces of data and code from disk into memory before it's actually needed. A general look at how prefetching works.

In order for this Prefetching operation to actually improve performance, the Windows XP Cache Manager monitors the data being moved between the disk and RAM and between RAM and virtual memory when the system is booting up as well as when various applications are loaded.

As the Cache Manager monitors these occurrences, it constructs maps of the directories and all of the files that were referenced for each application or process. These maps are then saved to files with a .pf extension in the \Windows\Prefetch folder.

Once these map files have been created, the Cache Manager will use them to improve efficiency when the system boots up as well as when loading applications. More specifically, the Cache Manager will intercept every process or application that is about to be loaded and will check the \Windows\Prefetch folder to see if there is a corresponding map. If there is, the Cache Manager will call on the file system to immediately access the directory and files referenced in the map. The Cache Manager will then alert the Memory Manager and tell it to use the information in the map file to load data and code into memory. Once this prefetch operation is complete, the Cache Manager will allow the application or process to continue loading. As the application or process does so, it will find the majority of the files and data that it needs already available in memory, thus reducing the amount of disk access and allowing the application or process to load or respond faster.

In order to further improve the efficiency of this prefetching operation, Windows XP will regularly analyze the contents of the map files, compile a list of the directories and files, organize them in the order in which they are loaded, and save this information in a file called Layout.ini in the \Windows\Prefetch folder. It will then schedule disk defragmenter to run on a regular basis and use the information in the Layout.ini file to relocate all of the directories and files listed to a contiguous area of the disk.

SuperFetch

Now that you know how Windows XP's Prefetch technology works, you have a good idea of how about 70 percent of Windows Vista's SuperFetch technology works. As the next version of Windows XP's Prefetch, SuperFetch does everything that Prefetch does and more.

To start with, SuperFetch overcomes one of the big drawbacks in Windows XP's Prefetch technology. Prefetch improves efficiency by loading the majority of the files and data needed by an application or process into memory so that they can be accessed very quickly when needed. However, because these files and data exist in memory, they are subject to the laws governing virtual memory. In other words, when other applications need access to memory, any prefetched data is moved out to the page file on the hard disk. When it is needed again, it then must be moved back from the page file to memory, which of course offsets the performance enhancement.

SuperFetch goes one step further to ensure that you get the most out of the performance enhancement. In addition to constructing the map files described earlier, SuperFetch also constructs profiles of the applications you use that include information about how often and when you use them. SuperFetch then will keep track of the applications in your profile and note when any prefetched data is moved out to the page file. SuperFetch will then monitor the progress of the application that caused the prefetched data to be moved out to the page file and, as soon as that application is done, it will pull the prefetched data back into memory. So when you go to access the application, the prefetched data will again be available in memory and the application will be very responsive.
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I still stand my ground about the System Restore as it never works! Nor does the Imagefile - System Image Backup and restore - another joke up MS 's sleeve!
Oh gosh, I hate Windows Backup and retore, it is the biggest piece if crap I've ever used. lachen.gifcheers.gif

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I found this in the Intel 520 SSD Setup Help File too - "Whoever so chooseth to disable thy Superfetch or Prefetch services in their Windows 8 operating system will be cast out of heaven and burned upon a pyre of slowly burning sticks that shall smoulder for the rest of eternity, signed Intel - The Management! Disregard this ORDER at your peril you scum! You have been warned INTEL!
What? i don't believe in heaven so does that mean that this does not apply to me?

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Well what makes windows 8's super fetch so much better to leave it on? I still don't see a reason to leave it on.
But why, why shouldn't it be disabled? What has changed with the new super fetch? There's still not enough information to leave it on other then Intel telling me to.

I have absolutely no idea whatsoever - but I tend to take the advice of the people who actually designed manufactured and tested the damn thing - If you have any further questions -Why don't you ask SEAN?

I asked Intel Support to have this written in blood but they refused as they said there was a risk of AIDS
Why can't you answer it? I have found nothign on Windows 8 superfetch vs Windows 7. I'll see if one of my buddies can figure it out for us. smile.gif
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Well what makes windows 8's super fetch so much better to leave it on? I still don't see a reason to leave it on.
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In Microsoft Windows 8*, Superfetch functions differently than in previous versions of Windows, and should not be disabled for an Intel SSD."

But why, why shouldn't it be disabled? What has changed with the new super fetch? There's still not enough information to leave it on other then Intel telling me to.
EXACTLY! I need links and information on this. What has changed? I want to learn what is different. I want to be educated on why it is not recommended now vs before. Just stating that Intel toolbox says not too means absolutely nothing.

It is the same crap as Samsung's optimization tool disabling my Windows search, yet I use it all the time. It is recommended, but do I follow it? Nope.
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I don't know if anyone else has this issue too but with Superfetch enabled on a Western Digital Caviar Black (SATA II), it has a tendency to make the drive work really hard when I access something random. I had the same thing in Windows 7 and just setting superfetch to boot files only gets rid of the heavy reading that happens. It's actually a pretty loud noise that it makes plus Windows folders stop reacting for a few seconds; pretty annoying when I try to browse my storage drive but as I said, setting superfetch to boot only gets rid of this.
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