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Sean, what is your view of Windows 8 Active Memory Dump?

http://blogs.technet.com/b/askcore/archive/2012/09/12/windows-8-and-windows-server-2012-automatic-memory-dump.aspx
Probably more of something to ask a programmer or Windows debugger. I'd ask pjBSOD: http://www.overclock.net/t/1288510/blue-screen-of-death-bsod-posting-instructions-windows-8-7-vista

I'm not really into that stuff.
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Given how Windows 8 now manages the page file (for SSDs and large amounts of RAM) do you have specific reasons for manually settings the page file size?
Yes, keep it as small as I can or disable it for space. biggrin.gif Doesn't make a difference for me whether or not I have a page file. I only need it sometimes for when i have a bunch of VMs open + Photoediting and I'm limited to the small amount of RAM I have atm (only 8GB frown.gif .)
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I have mine set to 400MB intial and 1024MB max right now. Seems to work okay to be honest, the only times I max out on memory are when I set 7-zip to start compressing something with a massive dictionary size, and I already have a fair few programs open.
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Windows 8 upgrading sucks bad apparently eh?


Took a long time for me. Had an issue w' Gigabyte power off USB charging software, but came up PERFECT. Everything was there & worked as intended. Boot is definitely slower than 7.
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Is it even possible to use a External USB HDD as a substitute for a USB Flash Drive to install Windows 8? Since the Windows 7 USB Download Tool cannot detect my External HDD, I do not know if I will be able to do such a thing.
Edited by OmecronBlazor - 12/6/12 at 7:32pm
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Hey guys
New to the forum, so cut me a little slack... please.
I posted this on Sean's Win 7 SSD thread, but it probably belongs here...

New Win 8 MSI GT70 notebook in need of an SSD
Installing a new Vertex 4 SSD drive by cloning the HHD.
- YES I know that's considered taboo... but all of my programs are up and running.
The new Vertex 4 was first initialized in Disc Management
The Existing drive is GPT so that is how I started with the new drive.

ROOKIE mistake:
I loaded the SSD in the spare bay and performed the clone...
- Didn't work, found out about "Secure Boot" issues and ACHI requirements, also UEFI vs legacy.
When it appeared to work, I switched drives and found nothing but "unallocated" space on the SSD.
Old HHD went back in and the problem solving search was on.

More research led to placing the HHD (source drive) in a USB enclosure, then putting the new SSD
into the primary drive spot in the laptop. Making an Acronis TI (plus pack) bootable DVD was next.
The BIOS was already set to AHCI, disabled secure boot, set legacy, etc...

All went very well this time around. Using the True Image off the DVD on bootup was the way to go. I made
sure to stop (turn off) the computer when finished. I then removed the source HHD and checked
the BIOS for the new drive.

I found it in setup using the "legacy" function. It disappears using "UEFI". Either way, it won't boot into
Windows 8. It will come right back into the BIOS setup screen.

Back to research, and found a suggestion to have Windows repair the problem using a bootable
Windows 8 repair disk. Made one and also made a bootable USB key with Windows 8 >iso on it.
Ran both and they "couldn't repair" my problem.

I put the SSD in a USB enclosure, plugged it in and checked it out in Disk Management. It seems
to be fine. The partitions (all 5) are there and it is also GPT. I looked for a way to make it a "primary"
partition, but it was greyed out. (probably already is one). My guess is some kind of issue with drive
letters (but the repair disk would have corrected that), or something to do with the fact that it is
recognized using legacy but not using UEFI. I also played with the partition sizes on the C drive?

ANY ideas would be greatly appreciated.
I'd rather not do a new install as MSI didn't send me an install disc with the necessary drivers for
this machine. When I asked them for one, they told me to burn a recovery disk.

Thanks in advance:)
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i just built this PC (specs below) and win8 is taking an extremely long time to boot up. it gets stuck at the windows splash screen for slightly over 40 seconds each time . i've fully updated windows (see pic) along with drivers for all hardware.

i recently built a win8 PC with an intel core i5-3570K +crucial M4 128GB SSD+ ASRock Pro3 + 8GB 1600MHz RAM. that PC flies through the windows splash screen and barely displays it so i'm curious why this one lags so much (especially since it has faster components).

i read this thread about boot trace on another forum. the summary xml file is available below. i think i've isolated the cause and it appears to be the SATA AHCI drivers (it takes 40 seconds for the drivers to load and that's about how log i the win splash screen lags).
Code:
-phase endTime="41937" startTime="10" name="bootStart" duration="41927" -- pnpObject type="Device" endTime="40516" startTime="377" name="PCI\VEN_8086+DEV_1E02+SUBSYS_1E021849+REV_04\3+11583659+0+FA" duration="40139" friendlyName="" description="Standard SATA AHCI Controller" prePendTime="40139" activity="Enum"/--

i tested with other versions and combos of drivers and the results are below. i tried to uninstall the ASRock SATA drivers and only use one of the Intel drivers, but got a BSOD upon restarting.

ASRock SATA drivers v1.3.8 = 40 seconds lag
ASRock SATA drivers v1.3.8 + Intel RST drivers v11.7.0.1013 = ~2 minute lag
ASRock SATA drivers v1.3.8 + Intel RST drivers v11.6.0.1030 = >2 minute lag

the SSD is connected to one of the SATA3 ports controlled by the intel chipset. even with the other HHDs disconnected, booting hangs up at the windows splash screen. i even enabled ULTRA FAST boot, which still lags at the windows splash screen.

AHCI is enabled for the SATA controllers in UEFI. i can't remember if it was enabled during install, but i did try the registry hack outlined here. it did not help

not sure what to try now. i know booting up shouldn't be taking this long.

summary boot xml

System Specs:
Win 8 Pro with Media Center
Intel Core i7-2700K CPU
Samsung 30nm DDR3 1600 RAM 16GB
ASROCK Extreme4 Z77 Motherboard
ATI Radeon HD4650
Samsung 840 Pro 128GB SSD (OS)
WDC WD30EZRX (media HHD)
WDC WD20EARS (media HHD)
post #207 of 848
I just joined overclock.net today, based on a link from the Anandtech forums to Sean's Windows 7 guide, and in a PM he directed me to this thread. GREAT info in both guides. I only started reading the Win7 thread when I found about this Win8 thread, and promptly read all 200+ messages in one sitting, so forgive me if what I'm about to write was actually here, but I flew past it!

I read some people found that doing a clean install using the Win8 Upgrade .ISO prevents activation, and that lead to some people (a) installing Win7 to then immediately upgrade to Win8, and others (b) bought full Win8 .ISO/DVDs.

The opening post in this thread shows how to "adjust" a clean Win8 installation from the Win8 Upgrade version. I had a troublesome experience installing Win8 on my H77 motherboard with an EFI boot onto a GPT SSD, and had to do this MULTIPLE times, and it worked each time.
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I want to ask a question if you excuse me.

I just bought a new laptop which is included 1TB HD and extra disc slot.
And also included pre-installed Windows 8.
I bought a new SSD and installed it to extra drive slot.
OS recognized it as an extra memory and i can use it for extra drive like D drive.
So i want to install my Windows 8 on SSD.
I created a recovery flash disc (because win8 not permitted to create recovery CD/DVD. maybe cause of size.)
But i failed to install my OS to SSD.
And i don't find my windows 8 product key anywhere. (maybe this is other step question)

What can i do?
Sorry for my bad english. Thank you.
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Sean:

I have put together a new computer based on an X79 platform. I have a 128 GB SSD on which I would like to load Windows 8 as well as other programs and I have two 500 GB (mechanical) hard drives on which I would like to store my files in a RAID 1 array. I also have a blu-ray burner. All of these devices are SATA III capable. From the information I am able to gather, I should entirely avoid using the Marvel SATA controller and plug my devices in motherboard jacks that use the Intel SATA controller: I will plug my blu-ray burner and my SSD into the two available SATA III jacks, and my two (mechanical) hard drives into two of the three available SATA II jacks.

My question for you: Since I will be loading Windows 8 on the SSD, will I be able to set up my RAID 1 (file storage) array after I load Windows 8 or do I need to set it up before I load Windows 8 (or as a part of loading it)?

I look forward to your response, thank you.

SN
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What start menu do you guys prefer, "Pokki" or "Start8" Pokki looks good and is free, but Start8 looks good aswell and I don't mind paying 5 bucks for it, it looks quite customizable and clean.

Also, when you make these post-installation changes for your SSD, do they save on your account to the "cloud" so when you reinstall windows 8 you don't have to do it all again?

And why are people saying you should use some pagefile now? 8gb not enough ram? what the hell are you doing that 8gb is not enough ram? lol.
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