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Sorry about the late reply to this thread, I accidentally marked as read before and didn't reply.
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Originally Posted by OmecronBlazor View Post

Is it even possible to use a External USB HDD as a substitute for a USB Flash Drive to install Windows 8? Since the Windows 7 USB Download Tool cannot detect my External HDD, I do not know if I will be able to do such a thing.
no idea.

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Originally Posted by Deano99 View Post

Hey guys
New to the forum, so cut me a little slack... please.
I posted this on Sean's Win 7 SSD thread, but it probably belongs here...

New Win 8 MSI GT70 notebook in need of an SSD
Installing a new Vertex 4 SSD drive by cloning the HHD.
- YES I know that's considered taboo... but all of my programs are up and running.
The new Vertex 4 was first initialized in Disc Management
The Existing drive is GPT so that is how I started with the new drive.

ROOKIE mistake:
I loaded the SSD in the spare bay and performed the clone...
- Didn't work, found out about "Secure Boot" issues and ACHI requirements, also UEFI vs legacy.
When it appeared to work, I switched drives and found nothing but "unallocated" space on the SSD.
Old HHD went back in and the problem solving search was on.

More research led to placing the HHD (source drive) in a USB enclosure, then putting the new SSD
into the primary drive spot in the laptop. Making an Acronis TI (plus pack) bootable DVD was next.
The BIOS was already set to AHCI, disabled secure boot, set legacy, etc...

All went very well this time around. Using the True Image off the DVD on bootup was the way to go. I made
sure to stop (turn off) the computer when finished. I then removed the source HHD and checked
the BIOS for the new drive.

I found it in setup using the "legacy" function. It disappears using "UEFI". Either way, it won't boot into
Windows 8. It will come right back into the BIOS setup screen.

Back to research, and found a suggestion to have Windows repair the problem using a bootable
Windows 8 repair disk. Made one and also made a bootable USB key with Windows 8 >iso on it.
Ran both and they "couldn't repair" my problem.

I put the SSD in a USB enclosure, plugged it in and checked it out in Disk Management. It seems
to be fine. The partitions (all 5) are there and it is also GPT. I looked for a way to make it a "primary"
partition, but it was greyed out. (probably already is one). My guess is some kind of issue with drive
letters (but the repair disk would have corrected that), or something to do with the fact that it is
recognized using legacy but not using UEFI. I also played with the partition sizes on the C drive?

ANY ideas would be greatly appreciated.
I'd rather not do a new install as MSI didn't send me an install disc with the necessary drivers for
this machine. When I asked them for one, they told me to burn a recovery disk.

Thanks in advance:)
So....whats the question specifically?

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Originally Posted by wpcoe View Post

I just joined overclock.net today, based on a link from the Anandtech forums to Sean's Windows 7 guide, and in a PM he directed me to this thread. GREAT info in both guides. I only started reading the Win7 thread when I found about this Win8 thread, and promptly read all 200+ messages in one sitting, so forgive me if what I'm about to write was actually here, but I flew past it!

I read some people found that doing a clean install using the Win8 Upgrade .ISO prevents activation, and that lead to some people (a) installing Win7 to then immediately upgrade to Win8, and others (b) bought full Win8 .ISO/DVDs.

The opening post in this thread shows how to "adjust" a clean Win8 installation from the Win8 Upgrade version. I had a troublesome experience installing Win8 on my H77 motherboard with an EFI boot onto a GPT SSD, and had to do this MULTIPLE times, and it worked each time.
thanks, ill link this post to the OP.

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Originally Posted by kambocyali37 View Post

I want to ask a question if you excuse me.

I just bought a new laptop which is included 1TB HD and extra disc slot.
And also included pre-installed Windows 8.
I bought a new SSD and installed it to extra drive slot.
OS recognized it as an extra memory and i can use it for extra drive like D drive.
So i want to install my Windows 8 on SSD.
I created a recovery flash disc (because win8 not permitted to create recovery CD/DVD. maybe cause of size.)
But i failed to install my OS to SSD.
And i don't find my windows 8 product key anywhere. (maybe this is other step question)

What can i do?
Sorry for my bad english. Thank you.
clone it over to the SSD. http://www.overclock.net/t/1227835/how-to-disk-and-partition-cloning-backup-restoration-migration

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Originally Posted by Sine Nomine View Post

Sean:

I have put together a new computer based on an X79 platform. I have a 128 GB SSD on which I would like to load Windows 8 as well as other programs and I have two 500 GB (mechanical) hard drives on which I would like to store my files in a RAID 1 array. I also have a blu-ray burner. All of these devices are SATA III capable. From the information I am able to gather, I should entirely avoid using the Marvel SATA controller and plug my devices in motherboard jacks that use the Intel SATA controller: I will plug my blu-ray burner and my SSD into the two available SATA III jacks, and my two (mechanical) hard drives into two of the three available SATA II jacks.

My question for you: Since I will be loading Windows 8 on the SSD, will I be able to set up my RAID 1 (file storage) array after I load Windows 8 or do I need to set it up before I load Windows 8 (or as a part of loading it)?

I look forward to your response, thank you.

SN
You can set it up after or before. I prefer doing it after if i already have data on a drive. www.overclock.net/t/1227670/how-to-set-up-raid
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Originally Posted by paradoxum View Post

What start menu do you guys prefer, "Pokki" or "Start8" Pokki looks good and is free, but Start8 looks good aswell and I don't mind paying 5 bucks for it, it looks quite customizable and clean.

Also, when you make these post-installation changes for your SSD, do they save on your account to the "cloud" so when you reinstall windows 8 you don't have to do it all again?
What there is an account thingy for the cloud? why would any user settings save there?
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And why are people saying you should use some pagefile now? 8gb not enough ram? what the hell are you doing that 8gb is not enough ram? lol.
8GB is enough? Enough for gamers probably but not people who video and photo edit. 8 GB is so restricting it isn't even funny. I just ordered 32GB fo RAM because my PC keeps complaining that I always need more RAM when editing pix. I max out my RAM almost every day with photoshop and other tasks. I use 3-5GB average at low usage and idle lol. Plus with virtual machines...it can eat up RAM when i have multiple machines booted at once. 8GB is really not near enough for me.
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RAM totally depends on what you're doing. If you're just going to be gaming, you could get away with 4GB but I would usually recommend anyone to get 8GB just because it's cheap.
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Hey Sean
My "question" above, was do you have any idea why I can't make a image/clone of my HHD onto an SSD and get it to boot
into Windows 8??? I've resigned to the fact that Acronis True Image 2013 is incapable of dealing with Windows 8 and GPT
partitioning. I have been through the wringer on an Acronis forum and it seems that I'm not alone. I've tried cloning and
image recovery. I've tried it with the new SSD in the primary drive spot, with "Secureboot" disabled and "Legacy" enabled.
All runs smoothly with the recovery, until I try to BOOT the new drive. I can't get it to boot into windows, it will immediately
jump back to the setup screen.

I didn't bother posting again, because I've resigned to a "clean Install" as per your instructions. I'm waiting for a Windows 8 disc.
I tried to use an evaluation Windows 8 .iso , while following your steps on a clean install, but it too would not boot.
(and never asked for a key) Thanks for trying to respond. I'll be sure to use your tips in the future and now know why you
recommend only clean installs. :-)
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Question about the Power Options in Win8 from the guide:
Does the Turn Off Disk after XX amount of Minutes only apply to the primary boot drive, or all drives? My boot is an SSD but I also have a couple of mechanical hard drives running, I'd like them to spin down when not in use
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Originally Posted by serialr View Post

Question about the Power Options in Win8 from the guide:
Does the Turn Off Disk after XX amount of Minutes only apply to the primary boot drive, or all drives? My boot is an SSD but I also have a couple of mechanical hard drives running, I'd like them to spin down when not in use
It applies to all of them.
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Hi, I was directed here by a friend after I started to build a system with a SSD and latest Windows. I should've read this before putting build together and starting everything up but I guess I rushed it and now I have some problems. Both of my drives were hooked up during installation and Win8 did the partition on my secondary hdd drive. I didn't figure it out til now cause of work and only real time to mess around or figure things out are during weekends. I reinstalled with the my secondary drive unplugged and followed Sean's instructions and then plugged in the secondary hdd at his first shutdown line but of course it's still has the partition. What should I do from this point on? Is there a way to clean/format it off so I have the 1TB available? How do I go about doing it, I haven't done a build since Win XP and before SSDs and 1TB drives so I'm really out of date on things and don't want to screw it up.

Edit in: I have a 1 TB WD Green secondary, when I get the drive to show and right click format it lists a 350MB Capacity so I'm afraid to format at that number. Clicking restore device defaults changes only Allocation unit size from '4096 bytes' to 'default allocation size.' So just wondering what to do. Also, would it be a quick format? Thanks in advance for any help.
Edited by Silvertic - 12/15/12 at 9:20am
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I have a OCZ vertex 3

Do i need do this

Disable Prefetch and Superfetch?
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Hello love your work on windows 7. I just got windows 8 professional and installed it and after I went through all this I found that my browser now starts slowly. It also opens new windows slowly and opens new tabs slowly. This is for both internet explorer and firefox. It could be another problem but i have only noticed it since i did your optimization so I figured I would check to see if you had any idea why that could be if it is related. An example would be firefox opening slowly when i left click on the pinned taskbar and tell it to open a new window. It takes up to 10 seconds to do so which is much slower than before. As I said this could be something else but I figured I should check first.

Edit.

Im starting to think it might be windows 8 because when i open a new window from the metro screen it is fast as normal but it only seems to be slow when i open a new tab from desktop. Im leaving the post up just in case but I am thinking the slowdown timing was just coincidence
Edited by r912525 - 12/15/12 at 11:29pm
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Thanks to the OP and others who have added great content here!
I'm hoping I could get some guidance on the following:

I have a new Alienware M17x R4 that came factory installed with:
  • 500GB x 2 - RAID (Resulting 1 TB Raid 0) - GPT partitioned.
  • Win 8 basic 64 bit
  • Secure Boot

I then upgraded, adding:
  • Win 8 Pro (via Win 8 System "get more features" and simply entered purchased key)
  • Crucial mSATA 256GB (to be clear, this is the small chip -- not a full size SSD)

GOAL:
Have Win 8 pro up and running on the mSATA - Ideally with GPT and SecureBoot
Maintain the alienware GUI features if possible
If possible, keep original HDD's as RAID 0

Notes:
I have no personal data on the system
I have created numerous system backups via respawn
I have Win 8 Pro upgrade on both DVD and USB key (downloaded from MS with Win Pro Upgrade purchase)
I'm rather desperate for a valid solution, this is my new work machine and I need it configured prior to loading additional software.
I am certainly willing to call Microsoft should that be useful.

What I have tried:
Attempt Group 1
Clone original OS partition using EaseUS Partition Copy Wizard

Here is a screen shot


Then Tried to boot:
  • With BIOS SATA settings on RAID (original)
  • With BIOS SATA settings on AHCI (original drives removed)
  • Using legacy boot
  • Using UEFI boot
  • With and without Secure Boot Enabled

ALL Resulted in: "No Boot Device Found" - No Love

Attempt Group 2
Install from Win 8 Pro upgrade media (both DVD and USB)

Result: "The product key entered does not match any of the Windows images available for installation. Enter a different product key."
-- Note this is due to Win 8 storing the product key in BIOS.

Attempts 3 through 27 - Various permutations of:
editing EI.cfg, PID.txt to fix product key mismatch
using Win 8 Upgrade DVD & USB to repair or reinstall
Using my created Alienware Respawn to repair or reinstall
numerous BIOS setting changes

I can still boot to the original raid (the HDD's are back in as of this writing).

The issue is not being able to get Win 8 to boot from the mSATA and therefore not being able to set up my work software, etc.

Question: What is the path of most likely success and ideally least resistance to my goals?
Edited by Spere - 12/16/12 at 5:18pm
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Boot time has gone from 20 seconds in 7 to 90 seconds in 8. Times are also inconsistent. Occasionally it will boot in 30 seconds.

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