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Well,
Then i think i will do a H80-100 and maybe an other GPU cooler,
Or a liquid cooling set,
I aint sure yet since they look so good and they perform great :/
"I think it should look awsome with UV responsive tubes/water and then UV light on it biggrin.gif "
Also i think i gonna upgrade me rig with a Adata 120 GB SSD and a 2600k instead of 2500k,
But when i have the money for me new PC the new Ivy bridge processors proberly are out, So the processor proberly will change again.
Btw are the new IVY bridges with 1115 sockets?
Else the motherboard maybe also gonna get a change.

Yes. The Ivy Bridge is on the 1155 socket and is due to be released 4/23/12(so in a few days). However, if you want to go with Ivy Bridge and get similar OC's to that of Sandy Bridge I would suggest true water cooling. Even those prebuilt coolers aren't quite cutting it with high end OC's. Ivy runs hot, really hot due to the new 22nm die size and you will need water to keep them relatively cool under high clocks/volts.

Basically it's like this..

Water = Ivy Bridge
Air = Sandy Bridge

Your fine on Air for mild OC's though with Ivy. thumb.gif

at least until they come out with air coolers that can effectively transfer heat from these super small die we have now.
Edited by iinversion - 4/19/12 at 3:24am
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post #92 of 130
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Ty everyone for the responses,
I gonna wait a couple months till i got the money, Then i respond back in this Topic with the amount of money i have then,

The MIN is 1500 euro, Maybe i get more till then if 1800 i proberly buy Water cooling, Aint sure yet since of the dangers "leaks if the products are defective etc"

Ty again guys ;D
post #93 of 130
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Owye, How many rads can i use in a HAF x?
post #94 of 130
I'll tell you this, from all the info coming out so far it will be a minimum of a year or more before Ivy Bridge matures enough to be worth buying (or it might be a short lived generation of chips).

http://www.legitreviews.com/news/12887/



http://www.hitechreview.com/it-products/pc/ivy-bridge-may-be-hotter-than-expected/36690/

It's looking like the 2600K is the way to go but we'll find out in a few days when IB is released.
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I'll tell you this, from all the info coming out so far it will be a minimum of a year or more before Ivy Bridge matures enough to be worth buying (or it might be a short lived generation of chips).
http://www.legitreviews.com/news/12887/
http://www.hitechreview.com/it-products/pc/ivy-bridge-may-be-hotter-than-expected/36690/
It's looking like the 2600K is the way to go but we'll find out in a few days when IB is released.

Thats very dissapointing :/


Hopefull they end up being not that bad, but i doubt it.
post #96 of 130
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Thats very dissapointing :/
Hopefull they end up being not that bad, but i doubt it.

They aren't bad at all if you are on water. If you can clock one to 4.8GHz that is the equivalent to a 5.2GHz SB.

Basically, all you would need to do is clock it a 4.5GHz and it'd be equal or better than 90% of the SB 24/7 setups at 4.8GHz. I think that should be doable on high end air.
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They aren't bad at all if you are on water. If you can clock one to 4.8GHz that is the equivalent to a 5.2GHz SB.
Basically, all you would need to do is clock it a 4.5GHz and it'd be equal or better than 90% of the SB 24/7 setups at 4.8GHz. I think that should be doable on high end air.

BUT.......they'll probably be more expensive than a 2500k or 2600k, as you said won't clock as fast or be as powerful, and produce more heat at the higher clocks. To me that's a fail all around and says if you plan on buying a cpu in the next 6 months then you might as well go with what's already here (I seriously doubt they're going to slash the price of SB in the next 6 months...this IS Intel we're talking about).
post #98 of 130
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BUT.......they'll probably be more expensive than a 2500k or 2600k, as you said won't clock as fast or be as powerful, and produce more heat at the higher clocks. To me that's a fail all around and says if you plan on buying a cpu in the next 6 months then you might as well go with what's already here (I seriously doubt they're going to slash the price of SB in the next 6 months...this IS Intel we're talking about).

- They will be cheaper or the same price as SB is currently brand new from Newegg by a few dollars, and I'm sure SB will drop slightly below their IB counterparts for price. $220/$320ish respectively for Ivy i5/i7

- They consume less power

- They have a higher IPC and can clock similarly provided sufficient cooling.

- They don't actually produce more heat, it's just that our heatsinks of today cannot effectively transfer the heat from such a small die.

I don't see why you wouldn't get one unless you can't justify the cost if you currently own a SB, or don't have the cooling necessary.
Edited by iinversion - 4/19/12 at 5:40pm
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^ An early test showed that the majority of the lower power consumption comes from the GPU, not the CPU.... in which clock-for-clock power consumption is pretty much the same as Sandy

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^ An early test showed that the majority of the lower power consumption comes from the GPU, not the CPU.... in which clock-for-clock power consumption is pretty much the same as Sandy

Exactly.

and as for "They don't actually produce more heat, it's just that our heatsinks of today cannot effectively transfer the heat from such a small die."

100% Incorrect

The reason it's producing more heat is because of production problems at the 22nm plant.

A)The tri-gate transistor switches at a lower voltage but requires higher current than a planar transistor to function correctly. It has 3 times the surface area of a planar transistor and requires several times the current of a SB gate.
B)Because of production problems at the plant the voltages are much higher than designed so that it can't stay within the targeted temperatures (it was supposed to be much lower than SB at the same or higher clock speed) which means clock for clock the temps it puts out is higher than SB which is why the first run is underclocked so that it stays within the acceptable temperature limit.
Edited by Bubba Hotepp - 4/19/12 at 8:52pm
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