Overclock.net › Forums › Industry News › Rumors and Unconfirmed Articles › [CVG] Next Xbox 'to boast ridiculously powerful 16-core CPU'
New Posts  All Forums:Forum Nav:

[CVG] Next Xbox 'to boast ridiculously powerful 16-core CPU' - Page 23

post #221 of 303
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hukkel View Post

Well, how does this work then with only 4 or 2 cores? Don't you have the same issues? Or do you mean you cannot take apart these things and devide over different cores? How much cores would you see would suit a gaming station best then?

The more threads you divide tasks into the more chance you have for inefficiencies or issues, which is one of the main reasons a lot of programs don't utilize many threads. And to be honest, with many games you don't need more than a couple of full-time threads and then a few threads for things like loading or decompressing of assets. But that's only if they maintain the status quo, if games are going to do awesome new stuff like make much more use of AI or physics, they're going to need the horsepower for it, and hopefully that's what Microsoft realizes. I imagine they need a few cores for things like the built-in Kinect, and maybe for other new features yet unknown.
Foldatron
(17 items)
 
Mat
(10 items)
 
Work iMac
(9 items)
 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsGraphics
i7 950 EVGA x58 3-way SLI EVGA GTX 660ti GTX 275 
RAMHard DriveHard DriveHard Drive
3x2GB Corsair Dominator DDR3-1600 80GB Intel X25-M SSD 2TB WD Black 150GB WD Raptor 
Hard DriveOSMonitorKeyboard
2x 150GB WD V-raptor in RAID0 Win7 Home 64-bit OEM 55" LED 120hz 1080p Vizio MS Natural Ergonomic Keyboard 4000 
PowerCase
750W PC P&C Silencer CoolerMaster 690 
CPUGraphicsRAMHard Drive
Intel Core i5 2500S AMD 6770M 8GB (2x4GB) at 1333Mhz 1TB, 7200 rpm 
Optical DriveOSMonitorKeyboard
LG 8X Dual-Layer "SuperDrive" OS X Lion 27" iMac screen Mac wireless keyboard 
Mouse
Mac wireless mouse 
CPUGraphicsRAMHard Drive
i7-2600K AMD 6970M 1GB 16GB PC3-10600 DDR3 1TB 7200rpm 
Hard DriveOptical DriveOSMonitor
256GB SSD 8x DL "SuperDrive" OS X 10.7 Lion 27" 2560x1440 iMac display 
Monitor
27" Apple thunderbolt display 
  hide details  
Reply
Foldatron
(17 items)
 
Mat
(10 items)
 
Work iMac
(9 items)
 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsGraphics
i7 950 EVGA x58 3-way SLI EVGA GTX 660ti GTX 275 
RAMHard DriveHard DriveHard Drive
3x2GB Corsair Dominator DDR3-1600 80GB Intel X25-M SSD 2TB WD Black 150GB WD Raptor 
Hard DriveOSMonitorKeyboard
2x 150GB WD V-raptor in RAID0 Win7 Home 64-bit OEM 55" LED 120hz 1080p Vizio MS Natural Ergonomic Keyboard 4000 
PowerCase
750W PC P&C Silencer CoolerMaster 690 
CPUGraphicsRAMHard Drive
Intel Core i5 2500S AMD 6770M 8GB (2x4GB) at 1333Mhz 1TB, 7200 rpm 
Optical DriveOSMonitorKeyboard
LG 8X Dual-Layer "SuperDrive" OS X Lion 27" iMac screen Mac wireless keyboard 
Mouse
Mac wireless mouse 
CPUGraphicsRAMHard Drive
i7-2600K AMD 6970M 1GB 16GB PC3-10600 DDR3 1TB 7200rpm 
Hard DriveOptical DriveOSMonitor
256GB SSD 8x DL "SuperDrive" OS X 10.7 Lion 27" 2560x1440 iMac display 
Monitor
27" Apple thunderbolt display 
  hide details  
Reply
post #222 of 303
Quote:
Originally Posted by lordikon View Post

The more threads you divide tasks into the more chance you have for inefficiencies or issues, which is one of the main reasons a lot of programs don't utilize many threads. And to be honest, with many games you don't need more than a couple of full-time threads and then a few threads for things like loading or decompressing of assets. But that's only if they maintain the status quo, if games are going to do awesome new stuff like make much more use of AI or physics, they're going to need the horsepower for it, and hopefully that's what Microsoft realizes. I imagine they need a few cores for things like the built-in Kinect, and maybe for other new features yet unknown.

This. I think when it comes to releasing games for the PC, the most that they can do is slap on some extra post processing and maybe higher resolution textures. The AI on the vast majority of today's games is simply atrocious. If we could get some movement on that front enemies would be challenging because of their intelligent decisions rather than sheer numbers.
post #223 of 303
How much do 16-core CPU's cost any way?

I see this rumour as just a rumour lol
post #224 of 303
Quote:
Originally Posted by jameschisholm View Post

How much do 16-core CPU's cost any way?

Cost doesn't have much of anything to do with number of cores, in and of it self. 16 simple cores could easily fit on a smaller die area than most x86 dual-core CPUs, and thus cost less.

Number of cores, without other relevant information to put them in context, says utterly nothing.
Primary
(15 items)
 
Secondary
(13 items)
 
In progress
(10 items)
 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
5820K @ 4.3/3.6GHz core/uncore, 1.225/1.2v Gigabyte X99 SOC Champion (F22n) 2x Sapphire R9 290X Tri-X OC New Edition (10036... 4x4GiB Crucial @ 2667, 12-11-12-27-T1, 1.37v 
Hard DriveHard DriveHard DriveCooling
Plextor M6e 128GB (fw 1.05) M.2 (PCI-E 2.0 2x) 2x Crucial M4 256GB 4x WD Scorpio Black 500GB Cooler Master Nepton 280L 
OSMonitorKeyboardPower
Windows 7 Professional x64 SP1 BenQ BL3200PT Filco Majestouch Tenkeyless (MX Brown) Corsair RM1000x 
CaseMouseAudio
Fractal Design Define R4 Logitech G402 Realtek ALC1150 + M-Audio AV40 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
X5670 @ 4.4/3.2GHz core/uncore, 1.36 vcore, 1.2... Gigabyte X58A-UD5 r2.0 w/FF3mod10 BIOS Reference R9 290X w/Stilt's MLU 1000e / 1375m E... 2x Samsung MV-3V4G3D/US @ 2000, 10-11-11-30-T1,... 
RAMHard DriveHard DriveHard Drive
1x Crucial BLT4G3D1608ET3LX0 @ 2000, 10-11-11-3... OCZ (Toshiba) Trion 150 120GB Hyundai Sapphire 120GB 3x Hitachi Deskstar 7k1000.C 1TB 
CoolingOSPowerCase
Noctua NH-D14 Windows 7 Pro x64 SP1 Antec TP-750 Fractal Design R5 
Audio
ASUS Xonar DS 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
i7-6800K @ 4.3/3.5GHz core/uncore, 1.36/1.2v ASRock X99 OC Formula (P3.10) GTX 780 (temporary) 4x4GiB Crucial DDR4-2400 @ 11-13-12-28-T2, 1.33v 
Hard DriveHard DriveCoolingOS
Intel 600p 256GB NVMe 2x HGST Travelstar 7k1000 1TB Corsair H55 (temporary) Windows Server 2016 Datacenter 
PowerCase
Seasonic SS-860XP2 Corsair Carbide Air 540 
  hide details  
Reply
Primary
(15 items)
 
Secondary
(13 items)
 
In progress
(10 items)
 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
5820K @ 4.3/3.6GHz core/uncore, 1.225/1.2v Gigabyte X99 SOC Champion (F22n) 2x Sapphire R9 290X Tri-X OC New Edition (10036... 4x4GiB Crucial @ 2667, 12-11-12-27-T1, 1.37v 
Hard DriveHard DriveHard DriveCooling
Plextor M6e 128GB (fw 1.05) M.2 (PCI-E 2.0 2x) 2x Crucial M4 256GB 4x WD Scorpio Black 500GB Cooler Master Nepton 280L 
OSMonitorKeyboardPower
Windows 7 Professional x64 SP1 BenQ BL3200PT Filco Majestouch Tenkeyless (MX Brown) Corsair RM1000x 
CaseMouseAudio
Fractal Design Define R4 Logitech G402 Realtek ALC1150 + M-Audio AV40 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
X5670 @ 4.4/3.2GHz core/uncore, 1.36 vcore, 1.2... Gigabyte X58A-UD5 r2.0 w/FF3mod10 BIOS Reference R9 290X w/Stilt's MLU 1000e / 1375m E... 2x Samsung MV-3V4G3D/US @ 2000, 10-11-11-30-T1,... 
RAMHard DriveHard DriveHard Drive
1x Crucial BLT4G3D1608ET3LX0 @ 2000, 10-11-11-3... OCZ (Toshiba) Trion 150 120GB Hyundai Sapphire 120GB 3x Hitachi Deskstar 7k1000.C 1TB 
CoolingOSPowerCase
Noctua NH-D14 Windows 7 Pro x64 SP1 Antec TP-750 Fractal Design R5 
Audio
ASUS Xonar DS 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
i7-6800K @ 4.3/3.5GHz core/uncore, 1.36/1.2v ASRock X99 OC Formula (P3.10) GTX 780 (temporary) 4x4GiB Crucial DDR4-2400 @ 11-13-12-28-T2, 1.33v 
Hard DriveHard DriveCoolingOS
Intel 600p 256GB NVMe 2x HGST Travelstar 7k1000 1TB Corsair H55 (temporary) Windows Server 2016 Datacenter 
PowerCase
Seasonic SS-860XP2 Corsair Carbide Air 540 
  hide details  
Reply
post #225 of 303
Quote:
Originally Posted by lordikon View Post

The more threads you divide tasks into the more chance you have for inefficiencies or issues, which is one of the main reasons a lot of programs don't utilize many threads. And to be honest, with many games you don't need more than a couple of full-time threads and then a few threads for things like loading or decompressing of assets. But that's only if they maintain the status quo, if games are going to do awesome new stuff like make much more use of AI or physics, they're going to need the horsepower for it, and hopefully that's what Microsoft realizes. I imagine they need a few cores for things like the built-in Kinect, and maybe for other new features yet unknown.

So... if you had the chance to choose. How many cores / threads would you ideally want to program for?

And can you tell me: if the architecture is the same. Do more cores at a lower clock create the same heat as less cores at a higher clock? Would the amount of cores help in the heat problem-part?
 
OrB!T*
(18 items)
 
 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsGraphics
Intel i7 3770k Gigabyte Z77X-UP7 Kfa2 gtx670 EVGA GTX670 
RAMHard DriveCoolingOS
Samsung 16gb low voltage ram Samsung 830 64gb ssd x2 Custom XSPC water loop Windows 7 
KeyboardPowerCaseMouse
Logitech g19 Cooler master silent pro hybrid 1050 Silverstone TJ07 Logitech X9 
AudioOther
Logitech G35 Full Coldzero plexi panels 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Intel i7-4770k Intel DZ87KLT75K Integrated Cosair Vengeance 2*4 1.5v CL8 1600 
Hard DriveHard DriveHard DriveOptical Drive
Plextor 256GB SSD WD Caviar black 1TB Samsung Spinpoint 1TB LG bluray rewriter 
CoolingOSMonitorKeyboard
Intel AIO 120mm watercooler Windows 7 64bit LG 2360V Thermaltake Forged Blue TT switch 
PowerCaseMouseMouse Pad
Cooler Master Silent Pro M600 Thermaltake Chaser MK I Roccat Kova+ Roccat Taito 
AudioAudio
Astrogaming A40 wireless Logitech Z-2300 
  hide details  
Reply
 
OrB!T*
(18 items)
 
 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsGraphics
Intel i7 3770k Gigabyte Z77X-UP7 Kfa2 gtx670 EVGA GTX670 
RAMHard DriveCoolingOS
Samsung 16gb low voltage ram Samsung 830 64gb ssd x2 Custom XSPC water loop Windows 7 
KeyboardPowerCaseMouse
Logitech g19 Cooler master silent pro hybrid 1050 Silverstone TJ07 Logitech X9 
AudioOther
Logitech G35 Full Coldzero plexi panels 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Intel i7-4770k Intel DZ87KLT75K Integrated Cosair Vengeance 2*4 1.5v CL8 1600 
Hard DriveHard DriveHard DriveOptical Drive
Plextor 256GB SSD WD Caviar black 1TB Samsung Spinpoint 1TB LG bluray rewriter 
CoolingOSMonitorKeyboard
Intel AIO 120mm watercooler Windows 7 64bit LG 2360V Thermaltake Forged Blue TT switch 
PowerCaseMouseMouse Pad
Cooler Master Silent Pro M600 Thermaltake Chaser MK I Roccat Kova+ Roccat Taito 
AudioAudio
Astrogaming A40 wireless Logitech Z-2300 
  hide details  
Reply
post #226 of 303
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hukkel View Post

So... if you had the chance to choose. How many cores / threads would you ideally want to program for?
And can you tell me: if the architecture is the same. Do more cores at a lower clock create the same heat as less cores at a higher clock? Would the amount of cores help in the heat problem-part?

6-8 threads would be plenty for just about any game, but chances are the Xbox will reserve a few cores for itself (for the OS, kinect, etc).

I would imagine more cores would generate less heat because they would be less likely to be utilized. But if a 16-core CPU was at full load, compared to a 1-core CPU, I'm not sure which would produce more or less heat. But considering the 360 has 3 cores and 6 threads, I don't see it as unreasonable that the next Xbox has 16 threads at a similar power usage as the 360.
Edited by lordikon - 4/13/12 at 5:52am
Foldatron
(17 items)
 
Mat
(10 items)
 
Work iMac
(9 items)
 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsGraphics
i7 950 EVGA x58 3-way SLI EVGA GTX 660ti GTX 275 
RAMHard DriveHard DriveHard Drive
3x2GB Corsair Dominator DDR3-1600 80GB Intel X25-M SSD 2TB WD Black 150GB WD Raptor 
Hard DriveOSMonitorKeyboard
2x 150GB WD V-raptor in RAID0 Win7 Home 64-bit OEM 55" LED 120hz 1080p Vizio MS Natural Ergonomic Keyboard 4000 
PowerCase
750W PC P&C Silencer CoolerMaster 690 
CPUGraphicsRAMHard Drive
Intel Core i5 2500S AMD 6770M 8GB (2x4GB) at 1333Mhz 1TB, 7200 rpm 
Optical DriveOSMonitorKeyboard
LG 8X Dual-Layer "SuperDrive" OS X Lion 27" iMac screen Mac wireless keyboard 
Mouse
Mac wireless mouse 
CPUGraphicsRAMHard Drive
i7-2600K AMD 6970M 1GB 16GB PC3-10600 DDR3 1TB 7200rpm 
Hard DriveOptical DriveOSMonitor
256GB SSD 8x DL "SuperDrive" OS X 10.7 Lion 27" 2560x1440 iMac display 
Monitor
27" Apple thunderbolt display 
  hide details  
Reply
Foldatron
(17 items)
 
Mat
(10 items)
 
Work iMac
(9 items)
 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsGraphics
i7 950 EVGA x58 3-way SLI EVGA GTX 660ti GTX 275 
RAMHard DriveHard DriveHard Drive
3x2GB Corsair Dominator DDR3-1600 80GB Intel X25-M SSD 2TB WD Black 150GB WD Raptor 
Hard DriveOSMonitorKeyboard
2x 150GB WD V-raptor in RAID0 Win7 Home 64-bit OEM 55" LED 120hz 1080p Vizio MS Natural Ergonomic Keyboard 4000 
PowerCase
750W PC P&C Silencer CoolerMaster 690 
CPUGraphicsRAMHard Drive
Intel Core i5 2500S AMD 6770M 8GB (2x4GB) at 1333Mhz 1TB, 7200 rpm 
Optical DriveOSMonitorKeyboard
LG 8X Dual-Layer "SuperDrive" OS X Lion 27" iMac screen Mac wireless keyboard 
Mouse
Mac wireless mouse 
CPUGraphicsRAMHard Drive
i7-2600K AMD 6970M 1GB 16GB PC3-10600 DDR3 1TB 7200rpm 
Hard DriveOptical DriveOSMonitor
256GB SSD 8x DL "SuperDrive" OS X 10.7 Lion 27" 2560x1440 iMac display 
Monitor
27" Apple thunderbolt display 
  hide details  
Reply
post #227 of 303
I am completely certain that this will mean the start of a new era in multithreaded computer gaming.

Will this mean the rise of the Bulldozer uarch? Will this mean that dual cores, no matter how powerful, will become FINALLY outdated?

biggrin.gif
   
AGP bencher
(14 items)
 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Ryzen R7 1700 Gigabyte GA-AX370-Gaming 5 Sapphire HD 6950 2GiB 2x8GB KFA2 HOF DDR4-3600 
Hard DriveHard DriveHard DriveHard Drive
Crucial MX100 256GB Seagate 600 Series 240GB Seagate 7200.14 2TB Samsung F3 1TB 
CoolingCoolingCoolingCooling
EKWB Supreme HF XSPC Rasa GPU EK XT360 EK 4.0 
OSMonitorMonitorKeyboard
W10 Pro LG IPS235 LG E2250V KUL ES-87 
PowerCaseMouseAudio
SF Leadex II 650W Lian Li PC-A05NB Logitech G9 Xonar DX 
AudioAudio
SMSL SA-S3+Technics CB-250 Sennheiser HD555 
CPUMotherboardRAMHard Drive
AMD A10-5700 Gigabyte F2A75M-HD2 G.SKILL Ares 2133 CL9 Hitachi 5K750 
Hard DriveCoolingOSMonitor
Momentus .7 200GB Noctua NH-L9a Server 2012 R2 Standard AUO B156HW01 
PowerCaseOther
PicoPSU-80-WI-25V AIO Aluminium Handmade TP-Link Archer Something Something Wi-Fi AC 
CPUCPUCPUMotherboard
Core2Duo E6400 Core2Quad Q6600 Pentium Dual Core E5200 AsRock 4COREDUAL-SATA2 R2.0 
GraphicsRAMHard DriveOptical Drive
A dumpload of ancient AGP cards Kingston Value DDR2-667 CL4 2T @CL3 1T Seagate 160GB 7200.10 LG IDE DVD-ROM 
CoolingCoolingOSMonitor
Ghettomade CPU waterblock 49cc 2stroke engine copper radiator WinXP SP2 32bit ProView 17" 
PowerCase
Tacens Radix V 550W Ghetto aluminium bench 
  hide details  
Reply
   
AGP bencher
(14 items)
 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Ryzen R7 1700 Gigabyte GA-AX370-Gaming 5 Sapphire HD 6950 2GiB 2x8GB KFA2 HOF DDR4-3600 
Hard DriveHard DriveHard DriveHard Drive
Crucial MX100 256GB Seagate 600 Series 240GB Seagate 7200.14 2TB Samsung F3 1TB 
CoolingCoolingCoolingCooling
EKWB Supreme HF XSPC Rasa GPU EK XT360 EK 4.0 
OSMonitorMonitorKeyboard
W10 Pro LG IPS235 LG E2250V KUL ES-87 
PowerCaseMouseAudio
SF Leadex II 650W Lian Li PC-A05NB Logitech G9 Xonar DX 
AudioAudio
SMSL SA-S3+Technics CB-250 Sennheiser HD555 
CPUMotherboardRAMHard Drive
AMD A10-5700 Gigabyte F2A75M-HD2 G.SKILL Ares 2133 CL9 Hitachi 5K750 
Hard DriveCoolingOSMonitor
Momentus .7 200GB Noctua NH-L9a Server 2012 R2 Standard AUO B156HW01 
PowerCaseOther
PicoPSU-80-WI-25V AIO Aluminium Handmade TP-Link Archer Something Something Wi-Fi AC 
CPUCPUCPUMotherboard
Core2Duo E6400 Core2Quad Q6600 Pentium Dual Core E5200 AsRock 4COREDUAL-SATA2 R2.0 
GraphicsRAMHard DriveOptical Drive
A dumpload of ancient AGP cards Kingston Value DDR2-667 CL4 2T @CL3 1T Seagate 160GB 7200.10 LG IDE DVD-ROM 
CoolingCoolingOSMonitor
Ghettomade CPU waterblock 49cc 2stroke engine copper radiator WinXP SP2 32bit ProView 17" 
PowerCase
Tacens Radix V 550W Ghetto aluminium bench 
  hide details  
Reply
post #228 of 303
But they'll use the wrong solder/thermal compound, consequently starting thousands of house fires around the world.

Also, like it's predecessor, you'll have to buy one every six months.
Edited by |)3\/][/-\|\|+ - 4/13/12 at 6:25am
post #229 of 303
Quote:
Originally Posted by "|)3\/ 
[/-\|\|+" url="/t/1241330/cvg-next-xbox-to-boast-ridiculously-powerful-16-core-cpu/220_20#post_16968091"]But they'll use the wrong solder/thermal compound, consequently starting thousands of house fires around the world.
Also, like it's predecessor, you'll have to buy one every six months.

devil.gif

Did you break OCN's quotes on purpose?
post #230 of 303
More cores are the only way forward for improving CPUs. The reason CPU manufacturers don't just make super fast single cores is because they've hit a wall. The "moar cores" joke is actually quite misleading. We wouldn't be able to cool/power/manufacture a super fast single core and that's why the industry has been forced to go with incremental improvements along with rapidly increasing core counts.

It's been taking a while for OSes and applications to catch up because big changes like this take years to affect the entire market.
New Posts  All Forums:Forum Nav:
  Return Home
  Back to Forum: Rumors and Unconfirmed Articles
Overclock.net › Forums › Industry News › Rumors and Unconfirmed Articles › [CVG] Next Xbox 'to boast ridiculously powerful 16-core CPU'