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This is kind of like listening to two medics arguing about if a patient had been shot or stabbed. Either way it still isn't ideal.

Also, I have never been shot before, does that mean I am bullet proof?

Either way this is a security vunerability that should have been dealt with earlier. Apple is going to have to get used to working with security companies in the future as OSx becomes more mainstream.

I would love to know, without fanboyism, preconception or agenda, how the various OS's rank in terms of security.

I suspect this would be similar to asking which ethnic background would be more likely to survive being shot - the answer being "it depends"
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This is kind of like listening to two medics arguing about if a patient had been shot or stabbed. Either way it still isn't ideal.
Also, I have never been shot before, does that mean I am bullet proof?
Either way this is a security vunerability that should have been dealt with earlier. Apple is going to have to get used to working with security companies in the future as OSx becomes more mainstream.
I would love to know, without fanboyism, preconception or agenda, how the various OS's rank in terms of security.
I suspect this would be similar to asking which ethnic background would be more likely to survive being shot - the answer being "it depends"

If you bought an SSD from a company and when you opened it up, it was actually slow hard disk drive, would you not care because they're still both hard drives? No one said either scenario was ideal. Just that they're two very different infections. One being, far more serious and harder to contain since it obviously doesn't ask your permission to install itself.
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There is no secure system ever, especially if it was written by a human full of flaws.

 

Apple's Own Website:

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Security Advice

The Mac is designed with built-in technologies that provide protection against malicious software and security threats right out of the box. However, since no system can be 100 percent immune from every threat, here are some other ways to help keep your information as safe as possible:

Almost every single virus or piece of malware seen on a Windows machine got there because of the user.  The same creatures sitting behind an iMac or Macbook.

 

Claiming Windows is insecure because it gets a virus from a user downloading porn is no different then saying a Mac is immune from viruses while never being turned on.

 

Ignorance is on the rise.

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There is no secure system ever, especially if it was written by a human full of flaws.

Apple's Own Website:
Almost every single virus or piece of malware seen on a Windows machine got there because of the user.  The same creatures sitting behind an iMac or Macbook.

Claiming Windows is insecure because it gets a virus from a user downloading porn is no different then saying a Mac is immune from viruses while never being turned on.

Ignorance is on the rise.

It's certainly not immune to viruses, but there hasn't been a single one yet in the past 11 years with over 50+ million users. So much for that "market-share" argument some like to throw around.
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If you bought an SSD from a company and when you opened it up, it was actually slow hard disk drive, would you not care because they're still both hard drives?

Wow, you are right! If I had gone onto the internet with the intention of getting a virus I would be totally pissed to only get spyware...

However if I were lying in the hospital I might be less bothered about if I had been shot or stabbed; it would hurt either way.

To be honest between the two I would prefer a virus to serious spyware. A virus can damage my computer and corrupt my files. No problem, I have backups. I can rebuild.

Spyware could collect my personal info, including bank details, and essentially empty my bank account, run up a line of credit in my name etc etc. Much harder to recover from.
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Wow, you are right! If I had gone onto the internet with the intention of getting a virus I would be totally pissed to only get spyware...
However if I were lying in the hospital I might be less bothered about if I had been shot or stabbed; it would hurt either way.
To be honest between the two I would prefer a virus to serious spyware. A virus can damage my computer and corrupt my files. No problem, I have backups. I can rebuild.
Spyware could collect my personal info, including bank details, and essentially empty my bank account, run up a line of credit in my name etc etc. Much harder to recover from.

Ummm, Viruses can do that as well... Anyways, this particular piece of spyware could only manipulate pages visited from within Safari if it wasn't scared away from installing itself in the first place. Firefox/Chrome/Opera users were completely unaffected. It could not keylog you.

And you've got it backwards. You're better off getting a toolbar spyware than an extremely malicious virus. It's certainly much harder to rebuild your entire machine then simply deleting the piece of offending spyware, as was in this case. You need to make sure you don't spread the virus to other media before even attempting a rebuild anyways. A virus would of spread to all your other machines as well. Calling your credit card company to have them issue a new card is certainly much less of an inconvenience then reinstalling everything and hoping you have recent backups of everything. Not that this one was able to even steal your credit card though.
Edited by PoopaScoopa - 4/11/12 at 3:19pm
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There is no secure system ever, especially if it was written by a human full of flaws.

Apple's Own Website:
Almost every single virus or piece of malware seen on a Windows machine got there because of the user.  The same creatures sitting behind an iMac or Macbook.

Claiming Windows is insecure because it gets a virus from a user downloading porn is no different then saying a Mac is immune from viruses while never being turned on.

Ignorance is on the rise.

It's certainly not immune to viruses, but there hasn't been a single one yet in the past 11 years with over 50+ million users. So much for that "market-share" argument some like to throw around.

 

Whats harder to protect an OS from?  A virus or a user?  My money is on the User.  How does one even get a virus these days that is not from end-user interaction?

 

How many "Mac" users were there 11 years ago?  You are flat out wrong, if you don't know the market share has greatly increased since 2001.

 

Edit: Estimated 6% total PC market share to a whopping 11% from 07 to 12.

 

Primary reason for lack of Linux / Unix Virii:

Most Windows users are setup themselves up as admin without even knowing it, while on Linux/Unix they are not, therefore access through user permissions on a Windows install make the user and his computer vulnerable.  Proper Active Directory and Account Administration turns Windows into the same as Nix or OSX.  Just because an OSX system is atypically locked down from the get go, doesn't prove its superior.  Windows has the same functionality but comes out of the box open.  Malware is the real threat, just like ignorance, and users levels of knowledge, as well as anything else a User can do to harm himself.

Edited by RagingCain - 4/11/12 at 4:13pm
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Whats harder to protect an OS from?  A virus or a user?  My money is on the User.  How does one even get a virus these days that is not from end-user interaction?

How many "Mac" users were there 11 years ago?  You are flat out wrong, if you don't know the market share has greatly increased since 2001.

Edit: Estimated 6% total PC market share to a whopping 11% from 07 to 12.

Primary reason for lack of Linux / Unix Virii:
Most Windows users are setup themselves up as admin without even knowing it, while on Linux/Unix they are not, therefore access through user permissions on a Windows install make the user and his computer vulnerable.  Proper Active Directory and Account Administration turns Windows into the same as Nix or OSX.  Just because an OSX system is atypically locked down from the get go, doesn't prove its superior.  Windows has the same functionality but comes out of the box open.  Malware is the real threat, just like ignorance, and users levels of knowledge, as well as anything else a User can do to harm himself.

No one said the market-share hasn't increased.... There's over 50+ million users now and still not a single virus. OS 9 with it's much, much smaller userbase had a quite a few. The "market-share" argument is just out of ignorance. There's funadamental differences between *nix based OSs and the easily exploitable WIndows.
Edited by PoopaScoopa - 4/11/12 at 6:07pm
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You really like the word ignorance. I have a very relevant meme and other comments to make in analogy, but the comments break ToS and the Meme violates 5entinel's no meme wish in news thread.

You may be the first person I put on my ignore list. Well done. Keep on keepin on poopa, it's just us ignorant PC users vs you, now.
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Whats harder to protect an OS from?  A virus or a user?  My money is on the User.  How does one even get a virus these days that is not from end-user interaction?

How many "Mac" users were there 11 years ago?  You are flat out wrong, if you don't know the market share has greatly increased since 2001.

Edit: Estimated 6% total PC market share to a whopping 11% from 07 to 12.

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Most Windows users are setup themselves up as admin without even knowing it, while on Linux/Unix they are not, therefore access through user permissions on a Windows install make the user and his computer vulnerable.  Proper Active Directory and Account Administration turns Windows into the same as Nix or OSX.  Just because an OSX system is atypically locked down from the get go, doesn't prove its superior.  Windows has the same functionality but comes out of the box open.  Malware is the real threat, just like ignorance, and users levels of knowledge, as well as anything else a User can do to harm himself.

No one said the market-share hasn't increased.... Wow, so much ignorance. There's over 50+ million users now and still not a single virus. OS 9 with it's much, much smaller userbase had a quite a few. The "market-share" argument is just out of ignorance. There's funadamental differences between *nix based OSs and the easily exploitable WIndows.

 

Do you even know what the point of a virus is and how it works?  How would you make a virus for the OSX environment?

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