Originally Posted by PoopaScoopa
Originally Posted by RagingCain
How about I make things real easy for you? Prove I called this specific malware a "virus" You claimed I did, now prove it.
to divert argument to unrelated issues using a red herring
Originally Posted by RagingCain
Please don't talk about things you have no idea about AND (emphasizing AND) use terms like ignorance. People like Dr. Web and Kaspersky and the Symantec crew all know how to fight AND find vulnerabilities. They are the experts, and they have found them.
Did anyone here ever say that Symantec didn't know how to find vulnerabilities? Nope. Did anyone claim they haven't found Flashback? Nope.
Are you going to keep trying to divert the discussion away from what was being discussed? If you'd like to learn how to write a virus for Windows: http://lmgtfy.com/?q=how+to+write+a+virus
This isn't the right forum to be talking about that anyways. I said "others
thinking that this silly piece of spyware that modifies pages in Safari is a virus". I said you
don't know what you're talking by trying to claim that market-share is the reason OSX isn't targeted and thinking you can't get Viruses on Windows without user interaction. You don't even have to open the files manually on Windows. Just download a torrent and it automatically runs itself. Check your mail and it's automatically executed. Stick an infected USB drive into your computer and it automatically infects your system. It doesn't ask you for your administrator username and password because it doesn't need it. One of the important aspects of what a virus is.
Since you won't prove anything you have claimed about me, and keep back pedaling....
I made the claim that Mac's market share is the reason they don't get viruses? Can you prove I said that? Here since you won't find it, I will do it for you:
Quoting Me - Post #68
How many "Mac" users were there 11 years ago? You are flat out wrong, if you don't know the market share has greatly increased since 2001.
Edit: Estimated 6% total PC market share to a whopping 11% from 07 to 12.
HERE you can see me saying nothing of the sort. Which is why you failed every single time to prove anything that spews out your keyboard.
USB Drives can be disabled in BIOS, USB Drives can be disabled by local policy or global policy, USB Drive access can be restricted to Power User, Local User, or Admin or a combination. If you don't know how to setup up your computer, isn't that on you?
Downloading torrents.... do you mean .torrents? Because thats not a real .torrent if its a virus/malware/file. Again all of these are user actions. How did a USB get infected in the first place? What mail automatically executes virus? Do you mean Macro viruses or PDFs or numerous Zip files which must be interacted by a user before they spread?
You don't even have to open the files manually? What files? Infected files? Well how did they get on the computer in the first place? They just spawn there, or did a User download them?
I already explained why "viruses" don't work in the Linux/Unix environment is because the default user account has no permission to do anything therefore can not harm serious system operation. However, exploitation is always there, proven time and time again and hacker events and conferences. There is a reason why they haven't pushed these exploits out on OSX and it has nothing to do with how "secure" it is. They still have access to your personal information through malware, spyware, adware, worms, trojans, keyloggers.... you have very little protection from what users can do/download off the internet.
OSX is less secure then Linux, in that, certain Linux distros update quicker, fixing security exploits. SO if you want to know the most secure system... guess what, its not OSX. I don't see you rallying behind Nix, or closed circuit systems.
When I made the claim of those experts finding exploits, they are the same exploits used for creating malicious software like viruses. Having no viruses, does not mean there are no exploits. We know OSX has vulnerabilities, I believe to date there have been 63 catastrophic/root-access type vulnerabilities, each one unique. This doesn't include child vulnerabilities or minor ones either. 63 Potential Viruses could have been made by those who have found it. Just recently and Pwn2Own, they had a sandboxed Safari browser exploit that allowed writing to disk without root-access.
Edited by RagingCain - 4/11/12 at 7:08pm