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Wow, this thread was definitely interesting to read.
Off-topic question: How do you ignore a user? I saw several mentions of that, and I would like to add a certain person who's username starts with a P to that list.
On-topic: This thread is about Apple trying to hush up any bad press, which is what Apple does, and is typical of them. They would rather hide things than admit fault/guilt. Sure, they may have released a service bulletin, but purely as a CYA measure. I am betting they did nothing to publicize the service bulletin, and instead tried to release it as discreetly as possible, so that 99% of people won't know about the potential flaw, but they can claim they did inform their users.
Here's my perspective on why there isn't as many viruses on OSX: Viruses are for deep level penetration through firewalls and antivirus. Many Windows computers tend to be well protected against malware, which necessitates a need for deeper level penetration. Correct me if I'm mistaken, but isn't the point of a virus to install other malware, or perform malware-like actions? There's no profit to wiping a hard drive, but there is immense profit in obtaining credit card numbers, etc, which is something keyloggers do. And things like keyloggers tend to be malware. Since OSX users typically do not have the same deep protection against malware, it's easier to just simply right tons of malware to exploit it, rather than a deep level virus.
The above paragraph is purely speculation on my part based on what I hear and read. It is in no way to be taken as fact, nor do I have any proof to back it up.
This isn't a problem with OS X, this is a problem with Java and Apple not pushing through the updates fast enough.
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This isn't a problem with OS X, this is a problem with Java and Apple not pushing through the updates fast enough.

Because OSX is perfect?


Seriously... I've talked to several people who are not as benevolent as us and plenty of them are writing mal code for OSX quite effectively.

It's been mentioned before but the user is the largest vulnerability to a computer. Not the operating system. Its true OSX has been lucky so far. But we see more and more evidence that the luck is running out and that apple is not doing a very good job of releasing security updates and working with security companies to patch holes.

To say OSX isn't to blame for this borders on fanatical ignorance Steel. You know darn well that APPLE codes their own java not Oracle. The burden was on THEM to identify and patch the hole.
 
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This isn't a problem with OS X, this is a problem with Java and Apple not pushing through the updates fast enough.

I never said that it was a problem with OS X. I said that this article showed typical Apple behavior, which is covering up any bad press as soon as possible, and trying not to let the general public know about it.

The second part of my response was in response to the argument about viruses on OS X, and was pure speculation as to why OS X has less.

Thanks for automatically assuming I was trash-talking OS X, like some other Apple fanboys on here.
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Because OSX is perfect?
Seriously... I've talked to several people who are not as benevolent as us and plenty of them are writing mal code for OSX quite effectively.
It's been mentioned before but the user is the largest vulnerability to a computer. Not the operating system. Its true OSX has been lucky so far. But we see more and more evidence that the luck is running out and that apple is not doing a very good job of releasing security updates and working with security companies to patch holes.
To say OSX isn't to blame for this borders on fanatical ignorance Steel.
No it isn't. The vulnerability isn't in OS X, it's in Java.
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You know darn well that APPLE codes their own java not Oracle. The burden was on THEM to identify and patch the hole.
That's what I said...?
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I never said that it was a problem with OS X. I said that this article showed typical Apple behavior, which is covering up any bad press as soon as possible, and trying not to let the general public know about it.
The second part of my response was in response to the argument about viruses on OS X, and was pure speculation as to why OS X has less.
Thanks for automatically assuming I was trash-talking OS X, like some other Apple fanboys on here.
I didn't assume anything. You're talking about OS X and malware and why you think OS X has less, so I was just saying this particular problem isn't a vulnerability in OS X, it's in Java.
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The user is the problem most of the time.

However, the average user is less likely to get virus/malware/spyware with a Mac.

I worked several years in a PC and Mac repair shop. 50% of the computers we dealt with usually had problems with malicious software. None of these were ever Apple computers and we did do a fair amount of Mac repairs.

Lets put it into perspective:

1. Macs have had the odd security threat over the past couple years, but nothing serious.
2. Windows has had thousands, if not more.

No system is 100% immune, but in the grand scheme of things, Macs are much closer to that 100% than Windows PCs.
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Yeah I know...both of them are defending terribly designed and flawed OSes. The only good one is Linux. /sarcasm
Honestly, after all these pages...(maybe I missed someone stating this) but can we really call Apple acting like themselves (the attempt to bury this kind of news) NEWS?

i was not stating that one OS is better than another, just stating there petting aruging is getting them no where and its time to pump the brakes and get back on subject.
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Wow, this thread was definitely interesting to read.
Off-topic question: How do you ignore a user? I saw several mentions of that, and I would like to add a certain person who's username starts with a P to that list.
On-topic: This thread is about Apple trying to hush up any bad press, which is what Apple does, and is typical of them. They would rather hide things than admit fault/guilt. Sure, they may have released a service bulletin, but purely as a CYA measure. I am betting they did nothing to publicize the service bulletin, and instead tried to release it as discreetly as possible, so that 99% of people won't know about the potential flaw, but they can claim they did inform their users.
Here's my perspective on why there isn't as many viruses on OSX: Viruses are for deep level penetration through firewalls and antivirus. Many Windows computers tend to be well protected against malware, which necessitates a need for deeper level penetration. Correct me if I'm mistaken, but isn't the point of a virus to install other malware, or perform malware-like actions? There's no profit to wiping a hard drive, but there is immense profit in obtaining credit card numbers, etc, which is something keyloggers do. And things like keyloggers tend to be malware. Since OSX users typically do not have the same deep protection against malware, it's easier to just simply right tons of malware to exploit it, rather than a deep level virus.
The above paragraph is purely speculation on my part based on what I hear and read. It is in no way to be taken as fact, nor do I have any proof to back it up.

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The user is the problem most of the time.
However, the average user is less likely to get virus/malware/spyware with a Mac.
I worked several years in a PC and Mac repair shop. 50% of the computers we dealt with usually had problems with malicious software. None of these were ever Apple computers and we did do a fair amount of Mac repairs.
Lets put it into perspective:
1. Macs have had the odd security threat over the past couple years, but nothing serious.
2. Windows has had thousands, if not more.
No system is 100% immune, but in the grand scheme of things, Macs are much closer to that 100% than Windows PCs.

People'd rather plug their ears screaming nanananana than face reality, as evident from quite a few posters in this thread.
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That's what I said...?
I didn't assume anything. You're talking about OS X and malware and why you think OS X has less, so I was just saying this particular problem isn't a vulnerability in OS X, it's in Java.

Okay, fine, let me rephrase that in a way so that you can understand.

The paragraph stated the reason why I believe there are less viruses targeted at the OS X platform. Regardless of whether it's an open flaw on OS X or Java, it's still on the OS X platform.
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