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Which Razer Tiamat version is better for music?

post #1 of 42
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While looking over the specs of both versions over at the Egg I realized there are some differences in variables between the two. Such as headphone driver size and Input Impedance and was wondering which version would be better for music. I mostly play Minecraft as my primary game but I listen to a ton of music, mostly Rock,Pop,and Dubstep (I know weird mixes right xD) but I like my bass in my dubstep as I believe anyone would agree. I see that the Tiamat 7.1 can be fully adjusted per speaker and what not but it seems that the 2.2 version has four forty millimeter drivers versus the Tiamat 7.1 having only two for the subwoofer and various smaller drivers and that the 2.2 version has a higher input Impedance, If I remember correctly a higher input Impedance translates to more powerful sound output. So my Questions are:

*1. Which version is more powerful for music or is the Tiamat 7.1 just as diverse for music as the Tiamat 2.2?
(I realize that music is best listened to in stereo or 2.1 however the Tiamat 7.1 can be put into either mode)

*2. Would I be getting a more versatile deal for the Tiamat 7.1 because of it's range of possible customizations and personal tweaking abilities?

Other Information:

* I do not currently own a headphone amp or a dedicated soundcard, All I have is the Via/Creative Hybrid that is onboard.
(The difference between standard VIA chipset and the inclusion of Creative software has significantly increased my Audio Quality)

* I currently own a pair of Razer Chimaeras (Stereo Version) and they are nice but they lack the intense kick of bass that I believe the Tiamat will provide. (Although they still kick my brother TBs anyday but let's not go there biggrin.gif)

To those of whom may recognize me from when I wanted a new pair of headphones and an amp awhile back, I was not able to purchase those Items because I decided on purchasing more components for my Rig. I now have a budget of $200 to spend on headphones and believe these to have great potential for my day to day routine. (Minecraft, Lots of music and Skype chatting tongue.gif)

Any Help will be greatly appreciated. thumb.gif

EDIT:
I have added links to the pairs on Newegg. wink.gif

Razer Tiamat 7.1

Razer Tiamat 2.2
Edited by Fateful_Ikkou - 4/11/12 at 12:07am
post #2 of 42
the none option.

Ultrasone PRO 550 + Asus Xonar DG (go buy it locally from Best Buy or Walmart) + A lapel / clipon mic of choice

= infinitely better.
post #3 of 42
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Originally Posted by chinesekiwi View Post

the none option.
Ultrasone PRO 550 + Asus Xonar DG (go buy it locally from Best Buy or Walmart) + A lapel / clipon mic of choice
= infinitely better.

I appreciate your opinion and find it valuable, however I still want to know which pair would be better. The sound card you linked really isn't that much better than the onboard audio I currently have (If I am horribly wrong please enlighten me).
post #4 of 42
^

Horribly wrong on both counts. It's more with the Razer's, comparing bad with less bad.
post #5 of 42
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Originally Posted by chinesekiwi View Post

^
Horribly wrong on both counts. It's more with the Razer's, comparing bad with less bad.

You still have not answered my original question nor have you told me why that card is better. I don't order from Amazon nor Ebay due to past experiences with their services, and I can't find those Ultrasones anywhere else in the US. Perhaps I have not looked hard enough. I have been told many things were good, however I don't have money oozing out of my pocket so I can't just say oh well I'll just try another pair of headphones tomorrow. Myself as a consumer has to feel like something is going to be worth the money, I don't have experience with those headphones nor any like it so I can't make up my mind right away. As such I must make my decision carefully, So I will consider these on the list but that sound card looks weak and if it is not please try to explain why I should feel compelled to purchase that card.

I don't mean to sound offensive but I did ask a question earlier. redface.gif
post #6 of 42
See, if I explained scientifically why it's better, then you would get bored or not understand.

Basically getting a soundcard means that there is less distortion in the analog signal, meaning you hear clearer audio than on onboard. Scientifically this is IMD or Intermoulation distortion. Our ears are really sensitive to it.

Modern onboard audio are still comparatively bad to modern soundcards.

Also gaming branded headphones (most of them, there are some exceptions, Razer's are not one of them) are typically junk for the money. Surround sound headphones are highly overpriced because in order to fit multiple drivers into one earcup, you must lower the quality of the parts, resulting in worse sound and a lot, if not all the time, worse build quality. You are much better off with standard headphones and a soundcard that not only gives you a better less distorted less noisy signal but also surround sound DSPs that you can use with higher quality standard headphones.

You get the best from both worlds, you can turn off the surround sound, as there are only one driver per earcup as opposed to multiple, you get a much better sound quality headphone as well for music as well. No to mention for Minecraft, you don't need directional audio advantages.

Basically: Trust Me and my opinion. I ain't the Audio Editor here on OCN for no reason.

Also gaming headsets tend to lack bass because of the fact that they are geared towards the midrange, where the key directional audio cues, such as footsteps, are.

The Ultrasone PRO550 are standard stereo headphones so they don't have an attached boom mic but really, a lapel / clip-on mic or desktop mic does exactly the same job. Also you always pay a premium for a boom mic making headsets less value for money. Not to mention if the mic craps out, it's easy to replace as opposed to rendering your headset useless.

I'm sure the guys who've 'seen the light'; and switched to decent headphones from 'gaming' headsets will chime in, as well as the Ultrasone PRO 550 owners.

And yes, standard headphones, particularly if combined with surround sound DSPs, are better for (directional) gaming than 'gaming headsets'.

Also Ebay isn't bad at all, it's bad sellers who are bad. BeachCamera is more than legit. You have to check the quality of the seller via feedback, volume numbers, 'external feedback' i.e. opinions of them away from Ebay. To blanket mark Ebay as bad because of one bad seller is insanely flawed logic, particularly if the seller is SquareTrade affiliated.

Also why are you getting a gamer-targeted headphone for mainly music purposes.....???
post #7 of 42
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Originally Posted by chinesekiwi View Post

See, if I explained scientifically why it's better, then you would get bored or not understand.
Basically getting a soundcard means that there is less distortion in the analog signal, meaning you hear clearer audio than on onboard. Scientifically this is IMD or Intermoulation distortion. Our ears are really sensitive to it.
Modern onboard audio are still comparatively bad to modern soundcards.
Also gaming branded headphones (most of them, there are some exceptions, Razer's are not one of them) are typically junk for the money. Surround sound headphones are highly overpriced because in order to fit multiple drivers into one earcup, you must lower the quality of the parts, resulting in worse sound and a lot, if not all the time, worse build quality. You are much better off with standard headphones and a soundcard that not only gives you a better less distorted less noisy signal but also surround sound DSPs that you can use with higher quality standard headphones.
You get the best from both worlds, you can turn off the surround sound, as there are only one driver per earcup as opposed to multiple, you get a much better sound quality headphone as well for music as well. No to mention for Minecraft, you don't need directional audio advantages.
Basically: Trust Me and my opinion. I ain't the Audio Editor here on OCN for no reason.
Also gaming headsets tend to lack bass because of the fact that they are geared towards the midrange, where the key directional audio cues, such as footsteps, are.
The Ultrasone PRO550 are standard stereo headphones so they don't have an attached boom mic but really, a lapel / clip-on mic or desktop mic does exactly the same job. Also you always pay a premium for a boom mic making headsets less value for money. Not to mention if the mic craps out, it's easy to replace as opposed to rendering your headset useless.
I'm sure the guys who've 'seen the light'; and switched to decent headphones from 'gaming' headsets will chime in, as well as the Ultrasone PRO 550 owners.
And yes, standard headphones, particularly if combined with surround sound DSPs, are better for (directional) gaming than 'gaming headsets'.
Also Ebay isn't bad at all, it's bad sellers who are bad. BeachCamera is more than legit. You have to check the quality of the seller via feedback, volume numbers, 'external feedback' i.e. opinions of them away from Ebay. To blanket mark Ebay as bad because of one bad seller is insanely flawed logic, particularly if the seller is SquareTrade affiliated


I appreciate your answers they are very enlightening, I will definitely consider getting a sound card when the time comes for me to order. I guess part of the reason for me wanting those Razer Tiamats is because of how much I love my Chimaeras with music as they are comfortable and sound great. I took your advice about multiple drivers lowering quality and realized that the Razer 7.1s are definitely not for me. I am however still debating on the 2.2 version as they have less drivers and seem to be better quality and it wouldn't be as heavy as the 7.1 version.

I still can't find the Ultrasones anywhere else then Ebay and Amazon, As I don't shop at those places anymore it gets harder to find them. If there is another pair of headphones similar to the Ultrasones please let me know as I may be interested. You may think I'm a derp sitting at a desk saying ooh "Gaming Headphones" those must be nice. I do not fall for those gimmicks I simply think that the Razer Tiamat might be what I was looking for. I realize you deal with people here that go head over heals for "Gaming Headphones" but I'm a chill guy and can listen to advice and Incorporate it into my decisions. I do not doubt your status here on OCN and I have thanked you for your help several times already. I will further require your assistance with this matter.

I must ask though if the onboard audio distortion can cause headaches... headscratch.gif

Edit:
I may just grab a better sound card and see what my Chimaeras sound like after that cause I love these chimaeras soo much. tongue.gif
Edited by Fateful_Ikkou - 4/11/12 at 7:09am
post #8 of 42
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Originally Posted by Fateful_Ikkou View Post

I appreciate your answers they are very enlightening, I will definitely consider getting a sound card when the time comes for me to order. I guess part of the reason for me wanting those Razer Tiamats is because of how much I love my Chimaeras with music as they are comfortable and sound great. I took your advice about multiple drivers lowering quality and realized that the Razer 7.1s are definitely not for me. I am however still debating on the 2.2 version as they have less drivers and seem to be better quality and it wouldn't be as heavy as the 7.1 version.
I still can't find the Ultrasones anywhere else then Ebay and Amazon, As I don't shop at those places anymore it gets harder to find them. If there is another pair of headphones similar to the Ultrasones please let me know as I may be interested. You may think I'm a derp sitting at a desk saying ooh "Gaming Headphones" those must be nice. I do not fall for those gimmicks I simply think that the Razer Tiamat might be what I was looking for. I realize you deal with people here that go head over heals for "Gaming Headphones" but I'm a chill guy and can listen to advice and Incorporate it into my decisions. I do not doubt your status here on OCN and I have thanked you for your help several times already. I will further require your assistance with this matter.
I must ask though if the onboard audio distortion can cause headaches... headscratch.gif
Edit:
I may just grab a better sound card and see what my Chimaeras sound like after that cause I love these chimaeras soo much. tongue.gif

Trust Kiwi, he/she knows what they're doing wink.gif

Also I'm moving from onboard+earphone to Soundcard+headphones pretty soon (when things arrive), I'll let you know how that goes... I went a bit cheaper though and got an X-FI xtreme gamer and some RX700s
post #9 of 42
Listen to Kiwi.

I've also heard the soundstage on the A700 is great. I haven't heard much about the A700x. I believe the x versions (they're newer) have more bass compared to the old models which is great. Don't get headphones with a v-curve though. Poor mids are not great for games (or J-pop). Go look in the OCN's Most Recommended Audio Products thread (it's a sticky) for a sound card but the one Kiwi recommended is great. It's on the list somewhere in that thread.
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post #10 of 42
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Listen to Kiwi.
I've also heard the soundstage on the A700 is great. I haven't heard much about the A700x. I believe the x versions (they're newer) have more bass compared to the old models which is great. Don't get headphones with a v-curve though. Poor mids are not great for games (or J-pop). Go look in the OCN's Most Recommended Audio Products thread (it's a sticky) for a sound card but the one Kiwi recommended is great. It's on the list somewhere in that thread.

I am listening to the almighty Kiwi. king.gif

If the distortion from the onboard audio can cause headaches I may just end up putting my New PSU on hold for awhile and get a good sound card instead.
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