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post #21 of 42
If I were you... I would probably look into the Ultrasone HFI-580's! Your music tastes seem to be quite bass orientated and the Ultrasone HFI-580's should be fun as heck to listen to Dub and all that stuff, especially with its "V" shaped EQ! I would also recommend headphones like the Audio Technica ATH-M50's or the ATH-PRO700MK2's, however they have virtually no sound stage making them pretty poor when it comes to positional audio... The S-Logic technology that is built into the Ultrasone HFI-580's should really help the sound stage and make your gaming experience that much more real! Musical quality on the M50's, PRO700's and the HFI-580's should all be SOMEWHAT similar, however since you are going to be doing some gaming the HFI-580's win it in my book! As for the sound card, I would try and pick up an HT Omega Striker 7.1, as it sounds better than the Asus Xonar DX in terms of music and that is what you will be doing 90% of the time...

As for the mic, the Zalman ZM-MIC1... is a good mic... but the "clip-on" feature is pretty lousy, it is more of a slip-on as there is not clip so to speak... So here we go...

Option 1
Ultrasone HFI-580's ~$190
HT Omega Striker 7.1 ~$75
Zalman ZM-MIC1 ~$10

Total ~$275

The other option would be to go for the Beyerdynamics which are known for their kickass bass and sound stage, which could be just perfect for you! Unfortunately, the Beyer's really need some amping and I went for a decent integrated amp in my option 2, but to really get the most out of them... the amp could cost MEGA BUCKS!

Option 2
Beyerdynamic DT 770 80 Ohms ~$155
Auzentech X-Fi Forte ~$120
Zalman ZM-MIC1 ~$10

Total ~$285
Edited by stinky - 4/11/12 at 10:01am
post #22 of 42
Let me tell you, I never believed that gaming headsets sucked either. I bought some terrible Creative headset about 6 years back for $150 thinking they were "the shizz." I then kept reading over and over that gaming headsets were terrible when directly compared to a decent pair of headphones for roughly the same price. I went out and bought a pair of HD555's for ~ $150, same price as the "awesum" creatives and was blown away. They sounded a million times better, both in games and especially with music. I did notice that I had a harder time tracking footsteps through walls but after a short while even that became a breeze. I cant imagine having to go back to a gaming headset ever again.

A couple years ago the Auzentech Prelude was on sale, so I snagged one of those, that made a huge difference in the clarity and openness of the sound from the Senns. I would never even consider looking at gaming headphones again. I think know what good audio should sound like and you just can't get it from gaming grade headphones.

If you're wondering the 555's died just before Christmas after 5 years of constant use. I bought myself a Little Dot MkIII and some old Buick looking HD598's and I am in love with the sound.
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post #23 of 42
The PRO 550 is better than the HFI-580 and it's cheaper. It's the best value Ultrasone.

Also people need to know Google Product Search is their friend if they are in the UK or US.

Pro 550 - http://www.bhphotovideo.com/bnh/controller/home?O=productlist&sku=568387&is=REG&A=details&Q=

and get the Xonar DG from your local Walmart or Best Buy.

Also don't skimp on the PSU eh. The Antec Neo Eco or High Current Gamer series of PSUs are fantastic bang for buck. Replace your PSU every 4 years (if you don't every build) tbh. 750W is fine for a SLI setup. Single card, easily 550-600W.
post #24 of 42
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So after some heavy debate I've decided to go with the Beyerdynamic DT 770 PRO, the moment I saw them I fell in love with them. As for a sound card, the specs for the 770's says that they are 250Ohms so it seems that the Xonar DG isn't up to par unfortunately. (technically it is, the specs say the headphones are 80~250Ohms) but to get the full potential I'd like a better sound card so I've decided to grab these two together. In a few weeks I will be able to acquire some extra $ so I will be able to get them both.

Beyerdynamic DT 770 PRO

ASUS Xonar Essence ST
Edited by Fateful_Ikkou - 4/12/12 at 7:28am
post #25 of 42
You could get the 80 Ohm version for the same price, and they will run great from the Xonar DG.

Make sure you burn them in; it helps.
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Originally Posted by liquidzoo View Post

You could get the 80 Ohm version for the same price, and they will run great from the Xonar DG.
Make sure you burn them in; it helps.

Yeah I saw those when I was looking around but I figured what the heck same price might as well get the one with more power plus grab a really good sound card while I'm at it and I use my headphones practically 24/7 so I shouldn't skimp on the quality anymore. Not to say the 80 ohm version isn't good as I read in some cases it is better. If someone could explain the difference as to what I would experience I would be greatly appreciative. wink.gif
post #27 of 42
I've heard that the 80 Ohm version is more bass heavy, where the 250 Ohm version is more balanced. I'm not sure, though. Someone more knowledgeable than I would have to answer that.
post #28 of 42
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Originally Posted by liquidzoo View Post

I've heard that the 80 Ohm version is more bass heavy, where the 250 Ohm version is more balanced. I'm not sure, though. Someone more knowledgeable than I would have to answer that.

I use my headphones 24/7 for everything so I'm thinking the better balance may come in handy. Either way they both look amazing, And will be better than what I've got atm. so now I suppose it's down to which one I should order first. applaud.gif
Edited by Fateful_Ikkou - 4/12/12 at 8:33pm
post #29 of 42
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Originally Posted by Fateful_Ikkou View Post

Yeah I saw those when I was looking around but I figured what the heck same price might as well get the one with more power plus grab a really good sound card while I'm at it and I use my headphones practically 24/7 so I shouldn't skimp on the quality anymore. Not to say the 80 ohm version isn't good as I read in some cases it is better. If someone could explain the difference as to what I would experience I would be greatly appreciative. wink.gif

The difference:
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DT770
The DT770 is beyerdynamic’s answer to those who wanted a closed headphone with balanced sound with good isolation. It’s four versions are all good, but they have varying sound signatures. It has the most balanced sound amongst all three lines.

- 32Ohm
The 32Ohm model of the DT770 is closer sounding to the 250Ohm and 600Ohm models than it is to the 80Ohm model. The most striking difference is that they have far less bass than the 80Ohm model, but also are fuller sounding. The bass on the 32Ohm's is tight and controlled but rather light on impact. If I had to rate it's impact I would say it's like the DT880/250, but even less than those. The high while quite extended and detailed but has a slight edge to them, but not grating or strident sounding. All of the DT line (DT770-DT990) has a treble oriented sound, so the DT770 will emphasize this. Now the mids, while fuller than the 250Ohm and 80Ohm models, are there but still recessed to a degree. The mids are clear, detailed, and possess decent transparency. Now the soundstage is smaller than the 80Ohm and 250Ohm and has an "in your head" sound to it. The dynamics of this model seem slightly lower compared to the 250Ohm version, but it’s hard to tell.

- 250Ohm
This Ohm version is good improvement over the 320hm version. It has improved dynamics and transients are pretty good. The bass while, tight and controlled is kind of slow sounding. The bass seems to extend just as much as the 32Ohm model but has a little less weight to the bass. Now the mids are more recessed or shallow sounding on this model compared to the other two models, but are more detailed and transparent than the lower models. The treble though is rather strident sounding and this can has more treble than the lower two versions. The treble seems to take over the sound on modern mastered stuff. One thing to note is that the treble is more extended as well and even more detailed. Now the soundstage on this model is pretty good for a closed headphone, but still rather closed in.

- 80Ohm (PRO)
The 80Ohm model has the most bass out of all the DT770 models. The bass is nice and pronounced with having good impact and depth, though when under amped it can have a mind of it's own. When underamped the bass gets bloated and flabby. The mids are probably the fullest of the DT770 line up but still on the recessed side. The treble is presented nicely although it sounds like it slightly rolled off. The treble is also the smoothest of the DT770 line. The soundstage is smaller then the rest though and certainly smaller than the DT770/250Ohm, most likely due to the bass and treble. This ehadphone it really good for rock, rap, metal, and any other bassy music genre's.

-250Ohm (PRO)
The Pro version sounds almost the same but the thing that is most different is the clamping force of the headband. It clamps quite tight, while the other models have a looser fit. Also the soundstage on this model seems smaller cause of the clamp and the bass is also pronounced because of the clamp as well. Other than that it sounds the same.

- 600Ohm
This is the best model of this headphone available. It has very smooth treble in comparison to the other Ohm models and is even more extended and detailed. The treble also no longer seems to trample over the other frequencies, but is more integrated with them. The midrange on this headphone is far better than the other Ohm DT770 models. Because the treble has been smoothed out and toned down a little bit, the midrange has made a nice appearance and is also very transparent sounding with lots of detail. The mids are just right in my mind on this phone and the best of the DT770 line. Now the bass on these is full, has nice texture, and has more weight to it. It’s definitely more pronounced than its 250Ohm counterpart. Also the bass is much faster sounding on this model and is also deeper sounding as well. The soundstage is also bigger than the other three models and possesses nice depth, width, and height.

Also there seems to be another variation of the 600Ohm model floating around which has just as much bass as the 80Ohm model. I have heard the new 600Ohm model first hand and it sounds incredibly similar to the muddy sounding 80Ohm version. The new version is very tight in the bass and does not have that overly boomy sound to it's bass, well it does bu not as bad. The treble is no longer smeared and the mids don't sound as cluttered.

EDIT: The treble in comparison to the DT990 is nearly on the same level and is also not shrill or strident. Despite me saying the treble is smooth, it's still very prominent and pronounced.

Source: http://www.head-fi.org/t/513393/guide-sonic-differences-between-dt770-dt990-models-more

If the lack of isolation isn't an issue for you, I';d rather go DT990 than DT770.
post #30 of 42
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Originally Posted by chinesekiwi View Post

The difference:
Source: http://www.head-fi.org/t/513393/guide-sonic-differences-between-dt770-dt990-models-more
If the lack of isolation isn't an issue for you, I';d rather go DT990 than DT770.

The question I have now is how much sound leakage can be observed by other people in the room. I know some open-back headphones like the DT990 are rather loud and others are less noisy. While I use these headphones in my room mostly by myself I started wearing headphones because I needed to be more silent.

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Edit:
Which unit should I get first, the headphones or the sound card? I only have $300 in my possession at the moment so I can only get one at a time.
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