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Though it may seem like I'm knocking on AMD, I'm not, was just trying to put those percentage numbers in perspective, and thus the extreme Google Stock example. A $9 gain for a Google is a mere 1% gain, while that same $9 gain for AMD would be 200%+. So keep that in mind when comparing percentages between companies.

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You really don't understand how the stock market works, do you? Everything is based around percentages, NOT ACTUAL STOCK PRICES. People don't buy stock, and go, "Hey, this stock I paid $600 for made went up $9! I can't believe I wasted my time with that $6 stock that only went up 30 cents." They look at the percentages, because that's what determines how much money is made. That $9 gain on a $600 stock is only 1.5%, while the 30 cent gain on the $6 dollar stock is a 5% gain. If you were to invest $600 worth into the $6 stock (100 shares) versus $600 into the $600 stock (1 share), you'd have made $30 dollars instead of $9.

Everything about stock is percentages. I'm sorry, but your viewpoints on how the stock market work are very misconstrued. wink.gif
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You really don't understand how the stock market works, do you? Everything is based around percentages, NOT ACTUAL STOCK PRICES. People don't buy stock, and go, "Hey, this stock I paid $600 for made went up $9! I can't believe I wasted my time with that $6 stock that only went up 30 cents." They look at the percentages, because that's what determines how much money is made. That $9 gain on a $600 stock is only 1.5%, while the 30 cent gain on the $6 dollar stock is a 5% gain. If you were to invest $600 worth into the $6 stock (100 shares) versus $600 into the $600 stock (1 share), you'd have made $30 dollars instead of $9.
Everything about stock is percentages. I'm sorry, but your viewpoints on how the stock market work are very misconstrued. wink.gif

Thanks for the lesson, too bad YOU missed the entire point, as it went over your head. I'm not gonna get into it again and again, this thread has been derailed long enough.
Edited by 2010rig - 4/12/12 at 12:14am
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Actually no, the performance was exactly the same, and perfectly within the margin of error, if you would've actually read the article.

If you would have read the thread further you would have seen the post of me saying i read the graphs wrong so please take your posts somewhere else acusing me of something. Because i actually did read the article.
    
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Oh man, you sure showed me! Talk about a lesson learned. rolleyes.gif
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Its fixed in the 12.4 preview drivers and should come with 12.4 WHQL drivers to.

Do you know where the fixed preview driver for the 7800's can be found?

Fixed Beta Driver 12.4 RC 4 (8.95.5-120327a-136160E-ATI)

Thanks
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yes but now its fixed is performance the same?

No it isn't but it only differs 2 or 3 fps so i wouldn't really call that anything significant.

That would be significant if your game was running at 25 FPS, that means it would now run at 22-23 FPS which would be bad yeah? biggrin.gif

Just saying...


AMD has been more about Hype & Marketing lately, see Bulldozer for reference, you have got to stop and wonder if they didn't just do this to show higher FPS, to win more sales?

Seems like a really bad decision by AMD, why would they release a lower video quality card and risk staining the AMD Video Card brand name?
Edited by _GTech - 4/12/12 at 3:48am
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Oh man, you sure showed me! Talk about a lesson learned. rolleyes.gif

*Sigh* - I guess you need me to spell it out for you.

My original point:
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When your stock is so low to begin with, any gains look massive.

If we have 2 stocks.

Stock A priced at $10, Stock B priced at $100.

In order for both to have 40% gains...

Stock A needs to go up in price by $4, while Stock B needs to go up in price by $40.

In other words: Stock B needs to go up in price by 10 TIMES vs what Stock A has to go up in price by, in order to achieve a 40% gain. ( 10 x 4 = 40 )

Pop Quiz: Which stock will have an easier time getting a 40% gain?

Stock A which needs to go up by $4

or

Stock B which needs to go up by $40.

On January 3, AMD stock was at $5.48, today it's at $7.64. It's up $2.16 or 40%.

On January 3, Intel stock was at $24.54, today it's at $27.85. It's up $3.31 or 15%.

Pop Quiz: If you were buying stock on January 3rd, and could see 3 1/2 months into the future, which would've been a better investment?

Obviously AMD, because you can get MORE shares for your money, while it will give you a greater return on investment.

However, my point was....
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When your stock is so low to begin with, any gains look massive.

You have no idea how close I was to buying AMD stock when Bulldozer launched, that would've been a great investment.

Now, if we want to take this a step further, let's go back 5 years to when both AMD & Intel were virtually the same price. The only time when you could make an Apples to Apples comparison to determine which investment is best, where you can buy an equal number of shares at the same price.

608

Over the long haul, it's clear which investment was best 5 years ago. If I was an AMD investor back then, I'm sure I would've had some sleepless nights wondering if my investment was ever going to pay off. Considering that today, 5 years later, I still haven't broke even.

Can we get back to this irrelevant topic now?
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MASSIVE SNIP.

Can we get back to this irrelevant topic now?

You're forgetting that the more the stock is worth, the more it fluctuates based on $$$, compared to a stock worth less, HOWEVER, they tend to fluctuate within the same percentages. That's why you see the DJIA change hundreds of points throughout the course of the day, and yet the percentages stay consistent with say the NASDAQ for example. It isn't harder for a stock worth more money to gain 40%, 80%, eleventy billion percent, it's hard for any stock as each one moves with corresponding margins. thumb.gif

Any word on a release date for CCC 12.4? I feel like 12.3 was a downgrade from 12.2.
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This thread has gone full retard. Arguing about stocks and the usual nvidia fanboy cheerleaders pop in.rolleyes.gif

Good stuff.
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This is why I don't buy from a company that is having trouble making a profit. They take shortcuts. Then fix it but give you less performance then advertised.... Nvidia has only sold me good working parts that only get better with drivers.

Translation: I have baseless bias against AMD.

No, AMD doesn't have the best driver team in the world. But for every AMD user that has an issue, there's a Nvidia user with an issue as well (probably more given the larger market share).

One minor issue (lower texture quality that can only be noticed with substantial zoom in) and less than 1 fps difference on average) and somehow they're sloppy and incompetent. The performance difference is well within the margin of error anyways, but if you had actually read the article instead of letting your Nvidia heads-up display popping up out of context graphs, you might know that. You clearly got suckered in by the sensationalism in the title.

But hey, next time Nvidia screws up, you'll just say "meh, no biggie." How do you feel about Nvidia's reference boards? There's quite a few users around here that refuse to buy Nvidia reference cards because they tend to cut corners, like with the GTX 570. Those same users would be ok with an AMD reference board, because AMD tends to provide plenty of VRM headroom.

Both companies have their ups and downs. Educate yourself and cut the bias out of it. If you've had a good experience with Nvidia and a poor one with AMD, that's understandable, but know that Nvidia cuts corners as well.

Such logic and unbias, surely this is against the TOS...

But seriously, ^This.
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