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http://www.hardwareheaven.com/reviews/1455/pg5/asus-geforce-gtx-680-oc-vs-r7970-oc-vs-gtx-580-oc-performance-review-3dmark-11.html

Yeah like we cant oc 680s. Seriously you guys should stop being a fanboy.

As i said before i am being objective here. I used both products and i can clearly see perfection. 680 and 7970 maybe equal to eachother when it comes to hardware but it is so obvious that Nvidia is better than AMD by miles when it comes to drivers. You dont want to understand or what ? If i want to oc my cards (thats why i buy a high quality special design card and i pay it more right ?) i should be able to do it easily. Surely cards are working fine with minor driver issues when you dont oc at all. What about CF god it is so terrible. I can understand optimization problems in games but when you watch videos no one would be happy to see flickering every minute just because one of the cards decides to change its clock to max then down for no reason. (there was no ab so do not come with silly excuses)

I am a user who used both cards and i am sharing my experience here with other people. I am warning people so i will be happy if they dont waste their time and money on 7970s. 4 months after release, drivers just started getting better ? Is this your excuse really ? So next time people have a problem it will only take 4 months to be fixed, wow good job amd why so fast ?

On the other hand a few weeks after release Nvidia cards are running without major issues. This is a huge difference. Can we really ignore that ? I am not the only person who had problems with 7970 and found 680 as a solution.
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http://www.hardwareheaven.com/reviews/1455/pg5/asus-geforce-gtx-680-oc-vs-r7970-oc-vs-gtx-580-oc-performance-review-3dmark-11.html
Yeah like we cant oc 680s. Seriously you guys should stop being a fanboy.
As i said before i am being objective here. I used both products and i can clearly see perfection. 680 and 7970 maybe equal to eachother when it comes to hardware but it is so obvious that Nvidia is better than AMD by miles when it comes to drivers. You dont want to understand or what ? If i want to oc my cards (thats why i buy a high quality special design card and i pay it more right ?) i should be able to do it easily. Surely cards are working fine with minor driver issues when you dont oc at all. What about CF god it is so terrible. I can understand optimization problems in games but when you watch videos no one would be happy to see flickering every minute just because one of the cards decides to change its clock to max then down for no reason. (there was no ab so do not come with silly excuses)
I am a user who used both cards and i am sharing my experience here with other people. I am warning people so i will be happy if they dont waste their time and money on 7970s. 4 months after release, drivers just started getting better ? Is this your excuse really ? So next time people have a problem it will only take 4 months to be fixed, wow good job amd why so fast ?
On the other hand a few weeks after release Nvidia cards are running without major issues. This is a huge difference. Can we really ignore that ? I am not the only person who had problems with 7970 and found 680 as a solution.

Just because you had issues with it doesnt automatically mean every single one is problematic, you state there are lots of people with issues, well there are plenty without issue. I have no issues with my 7970.

and you can clearly see perfection? Warning people so they dont "waste" their money on 7970s. who is the fanboy now........


You are welcome to share your experiences but it doesnt mean you have to talk **** about the other company especially since just because you had problems, doesnt make it a fact across the board
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As i said before i am being objective here. I used both products and i can clearly see perfection. 680 and 7970 maybe equal to eachother when it comes to hardware but it is so obvious that Nvidia is better than AMD by miles when it comes to drivers
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I am a user who used both cards and i am sharing my experience here with other people. I am warning people so i will be happy if they dont waste their time and money on 7970s
+100000000
Glad you are happy with your new (better) card. Happy gaming thumb.gif
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I had some initial troubles with my 7970 CF, but now it's running beautifully.

 

  1. I did a clean sweep of Nvidia drivers using bradleyW's tutorial. LINK
  2. Clean sweep of remnant ATI drivers from the past: LINK
  3. Installed CCC 12.3
  4. Disabled ULPS via TRIXX
  5. Used Sapphire TRIXX to overclock. I tried using MSI, but the unofficial overclocking was such a pain.
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I had some initial troubles with my 7970 CF, but now it's running beautifully.
  1. I did a clean sweep of Nvidia drivers using bradleyW's tutorial. LINK
  2. Clean sweep of remnant ATI drivers from the past: LINK
  3. Installed CCC 12.3
  4. Disabled ULPS via TRIXX
  5. Used Sapphire TRIXX to overclock. I tried using MSI, but the unofficial overclocking was such a pain.

+1 that helped me with the flickering in tera.
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Well there are a couple of ways of looking at it.... If you like to overclock..... switching from the HD7970 to the GTX 680 is not that way to go. I just traded my HD7970's with youra6 for a couple of GTX 680's and while I love the cards and they are working fine......they can not overclock as high. Why??? Well the GTX 680 has a software voltage cap of 1.175v (1.21v Hardware monitored) where the HD7970 can go up to 1.3 volts. I obtained 1300Mhz overclock with the HD 7970 and only 1288Mhz with the GTX 680 (So far) and that's with water cooling on both.....There are some other reasons the GTX 680 can not clock as high (i.e. Nvidia temp control @ 70c and offset mod) but I won't get into that right now. So until Partners decide to unlock their BIOS and allow higher overclocking.... you can't beat the HD 7970 in overclocking.
At the same time.... if you are someone who doesn't like overclocking their video cards.... the GTX 680 would be a great option for you. Why???? Because stock vs stock the GTX 680 is quicker in most games and applications. It will also only get quicker as drivers mature. The GTX 680 also runs cooler..... compared to the HD 7970 ..... when I was on air.... my GTX 680's only maxed out in SLI @ 68c top card (Stock) The HD 7970 went up to 80c top card stock. Even while water cooled I still notice the GTX 680's running a couple degrees cooler.

If Nvidia partners release a new BIOS unlocking voltage options and fan options on their cards.... I would say yes the GTX 680 would win hands down. Until then I say these cards trade punches back and forth..... and if you have a HD7970 keep it because your only going to side grade to the exact same performance as you already have. Unless your like me and just want a chance to play with the other camps offerings. If that's the case you will be happy with changing cards like I was.
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Just because you had issues with it doesnt automatically mean every single one is problematic, you state there are lots of people with issues, well there are plenty without issue. I have no issues with my 7970.
and you can clearly see perfection? Warning people so they dont "waste" their money on 7970s. who is the fanboy now........
You are welcome to share your experiences but it doesnt mean you have to talk **** about the other company especially since just because you had problems, doesnt make it a fact across the board

I am not the only person who had this issues. Forums got tons of threads and posts about them please dont defend amd and as i said before i really dont care if i need to do tons of tweaks to be able to use a card properly. I pay less money to nvidia and they do their job and give me perfect drivers which requires no tweaking at all. Thats what i call perfection.

If i was a fanboy i wouldnt WASTE my money on amd. I am a person who just wants pure performance but nothing else. If somehow amd manages to make a good driver then sure i can use their cards but until that time i prefer not to buy a card from them.
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People tend to raise confirmation bias to items they own. It gets worse when the items are more expensive in my experience.

I have bought over $4000 worth of graphics cards in the past 2 years (and more than that previously) and I can say, with resounding confidence and knowledge, that AMD drivers are poorer than nvidia.

(sorry for slightly off topic)
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Well there are a couple of ways of looking at it.... If you like to overclock..... switching from the HD7970 to the GTX 680 is not that way to go. I just traded my HD7970's with youra6 for a couple of GTX 680's and while I love the cards and they are working fine......they can not overclock as high. Why??? Well the GTX 680 has a software voltage cap of 1.175v (1.21v Hardware monitored) where the HD7970 can go up to 1.3 volts. I obtained 1300Mhz overclock with the HD 7970 and only 1288Mhz with the GTX 680 (So far) and that's with water cooling on both.....There are some other reasons the GTX 680 can not clock as high (i.e. Nvidia temp control @ 70c and offset mod) but I won't get into that right now. So until Partners decide to unlock their BIOS and allow higher overclocking.... you can't beat the HD 7970 in overclocking.
At the same time.... if you are someone who doesn't like overclocking their video cards.... the GTX 680 would be a great option for you. Why???? Because stock vs stock the GTX 680 is quicker in most games and applications. It will also only get quicker as drivers mature. The GTX 680 also runs cooler..... compared to the HD 7970 ..... when I was on air.... my GTX 680's only maxed out in SLI @ 68c top card (Stock) The HD 7970 went up to 80c top card stock. Even while water cooled I still notice the GTX 680's running a couple degrees cooler.
If Nvidia partners release a new BIOS unlocking voltage options and fan options on their cards.... I would say yes the GTX 680 would win hands down. Until then I say these cards trade punches back and forth..... and if you have a HD7970 keep it because your only going to side grade to the exact same performance as you already have. Unless your like me and just want a chance to play with the other camps offerings. If that's the case you will be happy with changing cards like I was.

This is somehow incorrect. i rarely go over 1.2 volt. Only for benchmark. Gtx 680 dont need voltage control. If you see gtx680 in water they dont gain anything better than air. The problem is the headroom oc.
GTX 680 is a overclock card from stock. You can push it a little higher but that's all. You hit wall. Also stock 7970 is a lot underclock tongue.gif
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