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7970. A heavy overclock 7870 is like a stock 7970. 7970 from hardware opinion is better than gtx680
Thats the problem we dont care about the hardware when it comes to games, this is why nvidia always wins. Yes the amd cards are better in compute and are great hardware but whats the point in having a $500 paperweight. Drivers are where it counts and nvidia are light years ahead there.
They really have no idea what they are doing with the 7 series, in some benches you can see a 6970 perform the same and in some cases better than a 7950? Seriously come on get your drivers sorted out amd.

This is incorrect. You said that 7970 driver's is carbage. I am telling that they have no issues in single configuration but if they tweak them more we can achieve better perfomance than we already have. And when we bench both card at their maximum overclock in air we see that 7970 wins. But by a 2-3 %. Thats nothing. If i was a fanboy. Omg 7970 destroy 680. But really meh. Why we cant stop fighting? This generation we have cards that compete with the last gens dual gpu. I am far pleased from both teams even if i like ati/amd
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just this! nvidia and ati are in the same path. They will offer similar power in the same price tag

It's just funny because there is no appreciable difference between the 7970 and the 680 while gaming. Literally there is absolutely none. One will get you slightly higher frames in one game and one will get you slightly higher frames in another. I gurantee if I had two PC's one with a 7970 and one with a 680 and loaded up Metro (Runs better on AMD) on the 680 machine and BF3 (Runs better on Nvidia) on the 7970 machine not one person in this thread would be able to tell which machine each card belonged to. People need to stop and realize this before they go all crazy about one being better then the other in these threads.

Hell if you had two more machines with GTX 580s playing the same two games they probabally wouldn't be able to tell they were even different cards without a frame counter. What a ridiculous argument.
    
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It's just funny because there is no appreciable difference between the 7970 and the 680 while gaming. Literally there is absolutely none. One will get you slightly higher frames in one game and one will get you slightly higher frames in another. I gurantee if I had two PC's one with a 7970 and one with a 680 and loaded up Metro (Runs better on AMD) on the 680 machine and BF3 (Runs better on Nvidia) on the 7970 machine not one person in this thread would be able to tell which machine each card belonged to. People need to stop and realize this before they go all crazy about one being better then the other in these threads.
Hell if you had two more machines with GTX 580s playing the same two games they probabally wouldn't be able to tell they were even different cards without a frame counter. What a ridiculous argument.

someone must make a video while playing bf3 one time with 7970 and one time with 680. And then changed the video's names. My friend have gtx680 and we both average 50 fps in bf3. We cant see any real winner or someone that is a little ahead. As both runs 50-60 fps both games runs smooth.
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I had the choice of buy a ref. 7970 with a heatkiller block and backplate for $730 NOW

or wait for 2 more weeks for an air cooled 680 to come back into stock and pay $700+ then add the cost of a waterblock etc

I run eyefinity all the time so I went the 7970 and put the $100 I saved towards an SSD - I have no regrets with this card, I can easily OC to 1300+ core which makes me happy.
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I had the choice of buy a ref. 7970 with a heatkiller block and backplate for $730 NOW
or wait for 2 more weeks for an air cooled 680 to come back into stock and pay $700+ then add the cost of a waterblock etc
I run eyefinity all the time so I went the 7970 and put the $100 I saved towards an SSD - I have no regrets with this card, I can easily OC to 1300+ core which makes me happy.

7970 loves water. just simple as that biggrin.gif
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to me i wouldn't even bother to travel back to the pc store unless its right next to me.Even though the 680 is faster and with its vsynx thing crap.The 7970 is already good enough to play games as it is, not sure how it will do on folding@home or doing stuff in maya 2012 though
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It's just funny because there is no appreciable difference between the 7970 and the 680 while gaming. Literally there is absolutely none. One will get you slightly higher frames in one game and one will get you slightly higher frames in another. I gurantee if I had two PC's one with a 7970 and one with a 680 and loaded up Metro (Runs better on AMD) on the 680 machine and BF3 (Runs better on Nvidia) on the 7970 machine not one person in this thread would be able to tell which machine each card belonged to. People need to stop and realize this before they go all crazy about one being better then the other in these threads.

False. The 680 will net you much better lower frames which is what is important. The 7970 is random on the frames and very unreliable.
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It's just funny because there is no appreciable difference between the 7970 and the 680 while gaming. Literally there is absolutely none. One will get you slightly higher frames in one game and one will get you slightly higher frames in another. I gurantee if I had two PC's one with a 7970 and one with a 680 and loaded up Metro (Runs better on AMD) on the 680 machine and BF3 (Runs better on Nvidia) on the 7970 machine not one person in this thread would be able to tell which machine each card belonged to. People need to stop and realize this before they go all crazy about one being better then the other in these threads.
False. The 680 will net you much better lower frames which is what is important. The 7970 is random on the frames and very unreliable.
I couldn't disagree more.

Look at HardOCP reviews. I'm going to link to a BF3 review which shows the frame rate at a particular time on a Sapphire OC 7970 and a GTX 680.

HERE

Look at 181, 281 and 341 seconds in the second graph (the red line is the 680). This is just one example, it happened to be the page that the tab was on as I read your comment.
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I couldn't disagree more.
Look at HardOCP reviews. I'm going to link to a BF3 review which shows the frame rate at a particular time on a Sapphire OC 7970 and a GTX 680.
HERE
Look at 181, 281 and 341 seconds in the second graph (the red line is the 680). This is just one example, it happened to be the page that the tab was on as I read your comment.

 

Lol... These review sites a are boggart for the most part. I usually wait for user reviews. I have been playing BF3 on a 7970 CF (which is more finicky than no CF) and I get around 80-95 fps on 1440p 4x AA and everything set on max. 

 

That is slightly higher than I got with 2x 680s. Scaling ironically, is not as good as my 680s

 

I will say however, it took about a good 2 hours of my time to get these AMD drivers working correctly. and maybe another hour to get overclocking setup (They  are simply not as polished as Nvidia's drivers). On the other hand, it took almost as long to understand and tweak with Kepler's bizarre GPU boost/off set overclocking method.

 

7970 Crossfire @ 1200/1700

 

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GTX 680 SLI @ 1244MHz

 

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nop you are fine. biggrin.gif I dont think that gtx680 have more oc headroom. Maybe you will gain a little if you go water. But, my 7970 is 1045 mv. I read somewhere dont remember tho where that the max volt i can go is my stock + 150,175 mv. I try to not go over this in air. Also you can see that the drivers holds back the 7970. A heavy overclock 7870 is like a stock 7970. 7970 from hardware opinion is better than gtx680. Hope with the coming drivers we will gain some perfomance. dont take it 100 % tho its pure speculation. But whatever the main reason here in this topic why so much hate about 7970. i believe that both card is very good for anyone and they are equal in terms of power. +2 or 3 fps gain is nothing when we talk about real perfomance. And by the way we dont have the same rig as the one in bench or whatever so we cant really compare either the perfomance or the drivers issues.

Oh man .... I have much love for the HD 7970's .... I owned two. They are clearly (Drivers permitting) the more powerful hardware cards. Although that's just it.... AMD can not get their Drivers correct in supporting that highend hardware. If you look at the hardware specs of a HD7970 vs a GTX 680 in theory it should have no problem being more powerful. This is AMD's dropping of the ball.
As far as the voltage goes for the HD7970.... I had my cards (on water) up to 1300Mv safely and my cards ran stock at 1170Mv. Overclocked both cards to 1300Mhz. The only thing stopping me from going higher much like the GTX 680 was the voltage being locked.
With my GTX 680's I am experiencing the same thing. The only difference is it seems like there is just a wall.... where I can't go anymore. No Pixels or anything like that.... it just won't let me.
As far as getting just a little bit extra overclock on water compared to air. I don't believe that is true...... with the HD 7970 I was able to get around 1200Mhz to 1250Mhz before I felt unsafe.... on Water @1300Mhz I felt I could keep going if I wasn't locked down.
Same is happening with the GTX 680 accept the voltage cutoff point is lower.


I will also agree with Youra6's comment about the polished nature of AMD's drivers. Although I noticed the benchmarks above are not at the same speed. Once you get the AMD drivers working correctly away you go and those cards will shine !
Edited by 20mmrain - 4/22/12 at 7:21am
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