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swindle dude you are wrong and fighting a losing battle. these guys are trying to make a point that the OP is making an attempt to LEARN. telling them to just fix it in post is a terrible way to learn. honestly i think that everyone should learn how to shoot on film because you will gain an appreciation for shooting and appreciate how important it is to get your shot right in camera rather than relying on shooting raw and fixing in post which you cant do on film. if you know how to properly shoot you will spend less time editing your photos. by shooting AWB you make more work for yourself in most situations when you can use a custom whitebalance that would be more accurate than what the camera chooses. also when shooting in jpeg if you get your white balance wrong or AWB doesnt chose the right setting its more of a pain to fix in post, i have to do it all the time with my sports shots. but if your colors are constantly off because of AWB you learn about fixing it in post. if you learn to shoot manual WB in jpeg and get good at it then you shots will consistently be better as you pay more attention to details in your shots. off topic but just like sub50's f11 challenge was about appreciating composition rather than relying on just rendering backgrounds out of focus. if you dont appreciate all the different elements of photography you will be doomed to taking mediocre photos with no improvement because you are only limiting yourself because you arent learning everything about your camera.

i only shoot jpeg when i do sports and usually i shoot jpeg for my general photography as well because honestly if im not taking pictures of a sports event i have the time to set all my settings and take my time taking the photo. while raw is great if i feel lazy i would rather take the time to just get the shot perfect anyway which means i can save myself space on my computer shooting jpeg over raw
Edited by Conspiracy - 4/13/12 at 2:55am
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post #32 of 45
You're not telling me anything I don't already know.

I wasn't the one asking for help.

Your film theory is rubbish.
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how can you say the film theory is rubbish after stating that you already know everything im saying... you make no sense at all.

I know you are not the one asking for help but everyone here is trying to help you be a better photographer by trying to correct misconceptions that you clearly have about shooting. if you do not wish to follow good advice that is offered that is your decision but calling learning on film a theory and rubbish is rather ignorant honestly. you are entitled to disagree but to call something rubbish is not very effective in making your point. you could have decided to just simply disagree lol
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if you know how to properly shoot you will spend less time editing your photos.
This is actually what I like doing the most personally, I don't see how this is a bad thing. And with the white balance you can just synchronize it to all your photos with a single photo in post in a matter of seconds. That claim is void really.
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by shooting AWB you make more work for yourself in most situations when you can use a custom whitebalance that would be more accurate than what the camera chooses.
The thing is with that is that not everyone has a 18% gray card on my to hold up to their subject 24/7 to get the most accurate white balance.
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also when shooting in jpeg if you get your white balance wrong or AWB doesnt chose the right setting its more of a pain to fix in post, i have to do it all the time with my sports shots.
Not really since you can simply synch all your pics to a same white balance in lightroom which you have...
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but if your colors are constantly off because of AWB you learn about fixing it in post. if you learn to shoot manual WB in jpeg and get good at it then you shots will consistently be better as you pay more attention to details in your shots.
I don't believe that White balance makes me want to pay more attention to detail, that claim is pretty opinionated.
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off topic but just like sub50's f11 challenge was about appreciating composition rather than relying on just rendering backgrounds out of focus. if you dont appreciate all the different elements of photography you will be doomed to taking mediocre photos with no improvement because you are only limiting yourself because you arent learning everything about your camera.
100% agree, but white balance is a different topic than composition.
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i only shoot jpeg when i do sports and usually i shoot jpeg for my general photography as well because honestly if im not taking pictures of a sports event i have the time to set all my settings and take my time taking the photo. while raw is great if i feel lazy i would rather take the time to just get the shot perfect anyway which means i can save myself space on my computer shooting jpeg over raw
Shooting jpeg vs RAW has nothing to do with lazyness. You can take the same time with the photo when set to RAW or jpeg. I agree it saves space, but HDDs are so cheap and unless you are taking over 50,000 pics a month it doesn't really matter for file size imo. I would rather keep a photo negative (RAW) than a compressed single rendition of my shots.
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its whatever. yall can shoot AWB and fix in post if that makes you happy. and syncing all photos in lightroom to fix whitebalance is not the msartest choice but do it as you want considering when i shoot lighting is not the same for every single shot but you wouldnt know that even though you assume it. i was not trying to use my personal experience as the only reason why AWB is not the best choice every time i was simply providing an example i guess i was not clear about my post.

i personally enjoy and i am more proud of a shot i take where everything is right in the camera rather than fixing it in post. its more rewarding to have a great shot in camera than it is to have to crop and spend time fixing a photo to the way you wanted it because you just didnt know how or were not able to get it right when you shot it which generally is out of laziness.

i am not trying to say i am right anyone is wrong. i was simply trying to agree with the several other people that are seeing the fault behind the logic of people that just fix it in post rather than trying to just get it right. maybe that type of shooter that prefers to get it right the first time is more rare these days with cameras and programs that fix photos for you if you do it wrong. i have nothing against it and i am not trying to make these types of shooters look bad although i dont understand why you take my opinionated post take it for fact and then tear it apart and tell me why my opinion is wrong when i wasnt even trying to pass it off as fact. kinda crappy thing to do in my opinion. and my opinion is clearly stated with the phrase 'honestly i think' which is difficult to mistakenly interpret for fact.

i guess ill just go back to not posting on OCN and just sharing photos occasionally when i feel like being told my white balance is wrong or my shots have no meaning in a thread that rates on a scale of 10 lol

feel free to continue to over analyze my post and tell me why everything i say is wrong
Edited by Conspiracy - 4/13/12 at 7:35pm
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i guess ill just go back to not posting on OCN and just sharing photos occasionally when i feel like being told my white balance is wrong or my shots have no meaning in a thread that rates on a scale of 10 lol

feel free to continue to over analyze my post and tell me why everything i say is wrong

I'm not saying everything you say is wrong, I'm just saying you seem to be connecting taking the perfect shot to only the camera when it isn't only the camera that affects it.

Your connection to getting it right in the camera vs editing can be separated as well. Because you can very much get t right shot, with all the right elements and all, composition, crop, WB, bokeh, whatever, but it is in color and you want it black and white...you have to edit it somewhat to convert the colors to the blacks and grays and whites you like.

Film is the same, there are different ways to process the same shot. It will not be the same from the shot you took in the camera if you process it a little differently one way or another.
Edited by Sean Webster - 4/13/12 at 7:57pm
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The thing is with that is that not everyone has a 18% gray card on my to hold up to their subject 24/7 to get the most accurate white balance.

I don't think you understand how to properly use a gray card.
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The thing is with that is that not everyone has a 18% gray card on my to hold up to their subject 24/7 to get the most accurate white balance.

I don't think you understand how to properly use a gray card.

Then how do you? Explain te ways to use a gray card to me please. smile.gif

Edit: 18% is for exposure and there is a separate card for white balance lol. But still, who do you properly use it? Set it to the subject. Take the reference pic and set the camera to use the pic of the card as the custom white balance. ....
Edited by Sean Webster - 4/13/12 at 8:09pm
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dude quit being a prick and google it. gray cards are not used for white balance/color balance its for metering off of to get proper exposure in majority of its uses... usually but of course not always since im not a professional so dont take my posts on this forum as fact like you did earlier.......
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WOAH WOAH WOAH SIMMER THE **** DOWN GUYS. Just take pictures, nobody really gives a crap.
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