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Hello!
I have MSI R7850OC now, it's a good card for the money, but I want MOAR power now so I was thinking about buying another one for CrossFire.
But then again, I can sell this one and buy 680.
I game on a single 1080p monitor and that won't change anytime soon (like when 1440p 27" get about $500-600 here).

What do you think?

btw if I would get the 680, I would wait for non-reference models with better cooling.

Thanks!
Edited by shockre - 4/11/12 at 4:04pm
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680 3DMark11 @10260

CF 7850 vs 7970

http://www.overclock.net/t/1231670/the-amd-radeon-7800-club/280_20#post_16903079

7850 CF wins.

Pros and cons of CrossFire are up to you to decide.
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I've never had CrossFire before so I don't really know how (un)reliable it is.
Also, driver wise, are nVidia's drivers better than Catalyst's? I've never had an nVidia card before, but also don't remember any problems with Catalyst's.
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That is something I suggest you personally research as I don't know your personality, requirements, or set up.

However, I will get you started in a few key directions:

1- Cooling. Is your case / card spacing adequate for air or water cooling for two cards?

2- Noise. 2 cards are louder than one when on air.

3- Power. 2 cards will draw more power than one.

4- Micro-stuttering. A very, very small stutter that can be noticeable under heavy load. Hence "micro." If this is something that will bother you then crossfire / sli is not for you. How anal you are with performance will determine if this is an issue.

5- Price.

6- Aesthetics.

These are just a few things to consider.

I suggest looking at articles on TomsHardware and HardwareHeaven. Good luck.
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Thanks for reply!

1. cooling is done great and there is no issue
2. 7850 twin frozr 3 is dead silent even on 75C which i think would be max for top card as single runs max 63C on stock voltage
3. i have adequate PSU and don't really care for power consumption
4. don't know about that as I didn't see it before, all I want for now is silky smooth 60 FPS in Battlefield 3 on Ultra with 4x MSAA.
5. as I already have one 7850 which I payed $315 + another one is same = $630. 680 costs $685. I can get $280 for my 7850. so buying 680 would cost me $90 more than 7850 crossfire. Prices here are like that so don't be surprised by them.
6. don't really care about that.

Gonna check around for that microstuttering thingy more.

btw others are welcome to write something too.
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Hi Shockre - first welcome to OCN! thumb.gif

Noticed you don't have your specs listed in your BIO. It makes it easier if you fill out your system specs when asking a question so we know what your dealing with and can provide the best answer for your specific situation. I'm going to assume your PSU can handle two 7850's.

Any two mid level cards - current series (7000) vs current series (600) cards will always beat any one high end current series card. Any two mid level current series cards will meet or slightly exceed one high end current series cards. (General rule of thumb).

So obviously the TWO 7850's will beat ONE 680 or ONE 7970.

Since your already own one 7850 the best option for your price / performance wise up front will be to buy another 7850 and go crossfire right away.

Will there be any crossfire issues? Right now there are some bugs AMD haven't ironed out. I'm sure updates eventually will address the issue but no advice on the when. Current 7000 series owners have been dealing with it and working around it best they can.

Crossfire or SLI always come with higher probability for gaming issues or games not taking full advantage of dual card set ups. It may come with temp issues but a well ventilated rig has little issues. If your tower has bad ventilation expect temp issues that will limit your GPU over clocks as well as raise ambient temps in your case.

Non-reference cards run cooler on the GPU because the cards blow the heat off the card right away but dump the hot air into the rig that will limit CPU over clocking head room.

Reference cards run slightly higher Temps on the GPU but losing out the hot air exhaust out the rear will keep the ambient temps down.

Personally I tried crossfire temporarily and ended up selling them for a single powerful GPU solution instead. I had micro-stutter with my 6870'. I moved to 3D Vision with Nvidia anyway so it was short lived.



On a side note to those perhaps thinking along the same lines that haven't already upgraded to a current series card.

Buying two mid-level performing cards will close the door for upgrade but will give you the most performance up front now.

On the flip side: Buying one high end 680 or 7970 now will give your more than enough performance in any games right now. Single monitor easily or multiple monitor set up just fine. You will leave the door open down the road for when gaming does catch up with you eventually, add another high end card and then go right over the top. At that point two high end cards will easily beat two mid-level cards.

To each his own. As for the OP who already has one 7850 the best smartest move is to go with another 7850 in my opinion.

Good luck bud. Welcome to OCN. biggrin.gif
 
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Thank you for reply!
I will hold off for a few weeks and see what will nVidia offer in their mid/upper mid range and then decide what to do, but getting another 7850 seems very likely. But then again, is it really worth it to spend $300-400 more to play Battlefield 3 on Ultra instead of High? Every other game runs maxed on 1080p with single 7850 @ 1250/1450 MHz.
eh, choices..

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