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Ok I am wanting to get a large drive to hold FRAPS/DXtory recordings. Which drive would you guys recommend for this? Is a Caviar Green drive fast enough or is it going to bottleneck? I am wanting a drive that is 2TB-3TB capacity. I would love to just grab me a Caviar Black and call it a day, but dang those are just too pricey right now. So any recommendations?
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Ok I am wanting to get a large drive to hold FRAPS/DXtory recordings. Which drive would you guys recommend for this? Is a Caviar Green drive fast enough or is it going to bottleneck? I am wanting a drive that is 2TB-3TB capacity. I would love to just grab me a Caviar Black and call it a day, but dang those are just too pricey right now. So any recommendations?

From experience, a Caviar Green writes fast enough for uncrompressed FRAPS. That's about 4gb/minute. I had a 2TB 64mb cache Green that I used. Worked great.
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From experience, a Caviar Green writes fast enough for uncrompressed FRAPS. That's about 4gb/minute. I had a 2TB 64mb cache Green that I used. Worked great.

then why I didn't like my 320GB Caviar Green ??? frown.gif I really found it slow compared to my current Samsung 500GB, (which was waaay older) !!

even loading Windows was really slower, and to get rid of it, I just gave it to my little sister's kid for his games .rolleyes.gif
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From experience, a Caviar Green writes fast enough for uncrompressed FRAPS. That's about 4gb/minute. I had a 2TB 64mb cache Green that I used. Worked great.

then why I didn't like my 320GB Caviar Green ??? frown.gif I really found it slow compared to my current Samsung 500GB, (which was waaay older) !!

even loading Windows was really slower, and to get rid of it, I just gave it to my little sister's kid for his games .rolleyes.gif

Different Platter densities. Higher density (2TB) will be faster than the 320GB drive you had.
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thanks for clarifying this to me my dear . biggrin.gif
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From experience, a Caviar Green writes fast enough for uncrompressed FRAPS. That's about 4gb/minute. I had a 2TB 64mb cache Green that I used. Worked great.

FRAPS is not uncompressed, or else you would need an SSD for recording. And to the OP, 4GB/min is approximately what you will see if you take an average when recording 1080p 60fps. But the bit rate will change depending on how much motion, or how much of a change there is in each frame, as well as the level of detail and the FPS recorded at.

 

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Ok I am wanting to get a large drive to hold FRAPS/DXtory recordings. Which drive would you guys recommend for this? Is a Caviar Green drive fast enough or is it going to bottleneck? I am wanting a drive that is 2TB-3TB capacity. I would love to just grab me a Caviar Black and call it a day, but dang those are just too pricey right now. So any recommendations?

Are you wanting to record lossless? If so, then I would use Lagarith with Dxtory because IIRC it has the best compression of any lossless encoder. However, if it is slowing down your gaming due to it's CPU usage, then you should use the UT Video encoder since it is "quicker", but doesn't compress quite as much.

 

In general, I wouldn't recommend FRAPS unless you really need the "Loop buffer length X seconds" feature.

 

Another alternative to a HDD for recording would be a RAM drive. But it only works well if you have at least 12-16GiB of RAM(to create a RAM drive of 8GB or greater), and if you're only recording clips. Basically, you record to your RAM drive, then when its been 3min or when you die, you stop recording, and delete the recorded footage, then start recording again. I'm sure there is a way to automatically delete the contents of the RAM drive at the press of a button, or key combo. Using a RAM drive to record is where FRAPS shines, since it can cache any length of recorded footage you choose(I use 120s). And when you want to save what happened in the last X seconds, you press record twice, or once if you want to continue recording. The only downside to using FRAPS to record is that it will try to cap your FPS at a multiple of your recording FPS(e.g. I record with 30FPS, so FRAPS will try to lock my game FPS at 30, 60[VSync on], or 90[VSync off]). So make sure you can hold above 60FPS with your graphics card, or settings.

 

Here is how to use that FRAPS feature: (Click to show)

FRAPS has the ability to constantly cache up to 4GB of gameplay(AFAIK, possibly more, but haven't tried/needed to). This avoids having to constantly record useless footage and fill up your hard drive.

 

You can do this by first setting your Loop buffer length to as many seconds that you would like to cache. Pic: http://img.techpowerup.org/120112/Capture348.png

 

Now once your in game and ready to record, press and hold the Video Capture Hotkey until your FPS overlay turns pink(~3s).

 

FRAPS will now have the last X seconds of gameplay cached, so if you get a nice clip, you can press the Video Capture Hotkey(FPS overlay turns red, from pink), and it will be recorded, as well as everything afterwards until you stop recording.

 

Extra info:

The split files are due to a limitation of AVI 1.0.

 

Note: Taken from a PM I sent to another member.

 


Edited by nawon72 - 4/11/12 at 8:40pm
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Yah the framerate lock is why I hate FRAPS and that is also why I listed FRAPS/Dxtory. Becuase eventually I want to purchase Dxtory and move to that. FRAPS forces me to record at 60FPS, which is recording 30 frames more than I need. I have my eye on the new Seagate Barracuda drive as well. $120 for a 2TB 7200RPM sure is a tempting price. I much prefer a WD drive, but the Seagate drive is smoking fast and priced outstandingly. Also my motherboard and CPU will definitely be my next upgrades. My i5 760 does just fine with Battlefield 3 on Ultra, but when I throw recording into the mix I do get the occasional stutter. Also I do indeed have 12GB of RAM now. I just hadn't updated it in my sig yet.
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Yah the framerate lock is why I hate FRAPS and that is also why I listed FRAPS/Dxtory. Becuase eventually I want to purchase Dxtory and move to that. FRAPS forces me to record at 60FPS, which is recording 30 frames more than I need. I have my eye on the new Seagate Barracuda drive as well. $120 for a 2TB 7200RPM sure is a tempting price. I much prefer a WD drive, but the Seagate drive is smoking fast and priced outstandingly. Also my motherboard and CPU will definitely be my next upgrades. My i5 760 does just fine with Battlefield 3 on Ultra, but when I throw recording into the mix I do get the occasional stutter. Also I do indeed have 12GB of RAM now. I just hadn't updated it in my sig yet.

Recording at 60FPS will be beneficial if you do slow-mos without re-sampling(adding interpolated frames). But for everything else it's a bad idea.

 

The new Seagate Barracuda's have definitely got my attention after seeing some benchmarks. I'm tempted to get 2x2TB(or 3TB lol) for Raid 0 after I get an SSD OS drive.

 

Have you checked to see that the stuttering is caused by the CPU usage increasing while recording? If you're recording with FRAPS, then the stutter could be caused by FRAPS trying to hold 60FPS, but i'm not sure how to test it.

Something like this could work: Run a benchmark(or section of a game) with vsync at 60FPS, then run the same benchmark at with vsync 60FPS and FRAPS recording at 60FPS. Record the Frametimes+MinMaxAvg for both runs, and graph the Frametimes like this(from here). The frametimes will clearly show any stutturing, and the MinMaxAvg should be self explainatory. Whether or not the above test would prove anything... thinking.gif I may have just confused myself. If the frametimes from the FRAPS recorded run has more spikes than the one that you didn't record, then the problem should be FRAPS. Just make sure you first check your CPU usage while FRAPS is recording to see if that is causing the stutters. You can log the CPU usage with RealTemp, see this. If you need some more help on how to log with RealTemp, let me know.

 

12GiB of RAM would be cutting it close for use in recording on it. I'm not sure how much RAM BF3 uses on your setup, but I think using 6GB for a RAM drive would not adversefly affect your BF3 FPS. That should give you around 2min of BF3 gameplay, while recording at 1080p 30FPS using Lagarith YUY2(for Dxtory). The quality will also be higher than FRAPS, unless you use the lossless RGB option.

 


Edited by nawon72 - 4/11/12 at 10:42pm
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Well I tried out the demo version of Dxtory and I was able to record with that with no problems. The only problem I ran into with that is it is a GB eating machine. They should change the name to GB Pacman lol.(Hence the reason for the HDD upgrade) I just wish that MSI Afterburner allowed you to record the audio stream and mic at the same time. It makes small file sizes and does it smoothly. If I didn't want to record the Mic too I would use that software in a heartbeat over the others. Unfortunately I play with a group in Teamspeak and it sounds like they are talking to themselves the whole time without the mic recording lol.
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Well I tried out the demo version of Dxtory and I was able to record with that with no problems. The only problem I ran into with that is it is a GB eating machine. They should change the name to GB Pacman lol.(Hence the reason for the HDD upgrade) I just wish that MSI Afterburner allowed you to record the audio stream and mic at the same time. It makes small file sizes and does it smoothly. If I didn't want to record the Mic too I would use that software in a heartbeat over the others. Unfortunately I play with a group in Teamspeak and it sounds like they are talking to themselves the whole time without the mic recording lol.

The default Dxtory codec does eat up a lot of space. Make sure you use it with Lagarith, or UT Video like I mentioned earlier. Links below:

http://lags.leetcode.net/codec.html <-- slightly better compression (Lagarith)

http://www.videohelp.com/tools/Ut-Video-Codec-Suite <-- faster to encode (UT Video)

 

Just follow the installation instructions, and they should appear in Dxtory like so:

Capture525.jpg

 

Then configure Lagarith:

Capture526.jpg

You can try using Null Frames to increase compression(reduce file size), but it may not be compatible with your video editing software. If you notice your CPU usage is high, then try disabling multithreading. However, you may want to use UT Video in that case. The mode should be set to as high as you HDD can handle, so the colors will be more accurate. The other settings have explanations when your hover your mouse over them.

 

If you get confused with the settings, take a screenshot and post it here so we can help. I use TPUCapture.


Edited by nawon72 - 4/12/12 at 4:37pm
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