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This situation with IB makes me excited!!! wheee.gif

If this means that Moore's law is staling and it s not possible to upgrade current silicon chips any more that means that soon we will have a whole lot different chips to play with!

Maybe man made diamond plates instead of silicon ones, and no worries about temps in that case?!! But that is just one possibility hehehe biggrin.gifbiggrin.gifbiggrin.gif

So YES! I want Ivy to be a failure so I can see a TRUE NEXT GEN CHIP! Not Haswell
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If this means that Moore's law is staling and it s not possible to upgrade current silicon chips any more that means that soon we will have a whole lot different chips to play with!

Define SOON
 
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I'm not agree with that. Silicon and Moore's Law will be working till we reach 10nm, when it'd be very hard to develop transistors because of atomic size.

It's not like Moore's law just stops at a point, it slowing down and then comes to a stop. What we are seeing now and will be seeing in the following years are this slowing down.
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This situation with IB makes me excited!!! wheee.gif
If this means that Moore's law is staling and it s not possible to upgrade current silicon chips any more that means that soon we will have a whole lot different chips to play with!
Maybe man made diamond plates instead of silicon ones, and no worries about temps in that case?!! But that is just one possibility hehehe biggrin.gifbiggrin.gifbiggrin.gif
So YES! I want Ivy to be a failure so I can see a TRUE NEXT GEN CHIP! Not Haswell

This was posted a couple of pages a go but i think it's a great explanation of the issues.
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Define SOON

SOON as in not SOON ENOUGH! biggrin.gif

It was just a thought, nothing to back it up... but there was talk about some kind of technology that can produce diamond chips and stuff like that...guys making chips r where well aware of these problems with Moore's law long time ago and they r trying to find new ways and materials to make them. Maybe not so extreme ways as Mr. Michio Kaku proposes... hehe
This actually can be done...I guess
Edited by Rops84 - 4/18/12 at 6:07pm
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Great vid, thanks for re-posting
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My $0.02...

Compared to SB:

For those who will run IVB @ stock = sight improvement in performance, and slight improvement in voltage.

For those with a modest (< 4.5ghz) OC = slight improvement in performance, similar voltages, and slightly worse but tolerable air cooling temps.

For those wanting to push max OC on air = no improvement in performance to slightly less performance, similar voltages, higher temps, and lower clocks.

For those wanting to push max OC on water = no improvement in performance to slightly more performance, similar voltages, higher temps, and slightly lower clocks.

For those wanting to LN2 = no cold bug yet, yay! biggrin.gif

I cannot endorse this chip for other than running at stock, or extreme overclocking. For what gains in IPC, it will lose @ less clocks for those pushing max OC on air and water. This all at the cost of generating more heat. The obvious plus is native 1600 mhz, and PCIe 3.0 support. I would not however, attempt to steer those on the fence to getting an SB. I think that Intel will release new steppings that will make this chip more attractive. So, for many it's a waiting game if they are not impressed with the numbers.

Edit: Pardon my manners... Thanks a bunch for the insight and hard work Eggy! wheee.gif
Edited by Rmerwede - 4/18/12 at 6:49pm
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It's not like Moore's law just stops at a point, it slowing down and then comes to a stop. What we are seeing now and will be seeing in the following years are this slowing down.
That video only confirms what I was saying. When we reach 10nm (Michio Kaku: "5 atoms layer"), Moore's Law will stop because we won't be able to continue going down on litography ("huge heat and leaks + uncertainty principle"). Now, at 22nm, we are just fine and totally achieving Moore's Law, because we are hugely increasing the number of transistors.
The slowdown you claim, is just the increased time on Intel's tick CPU launch dates because it will be much harder to achieve 14 and 10nm. Note that they are starting not to accomplish their tick-tock 1 year policy.

Less nm = More transistors in the same size = More IPS and FLOPS = More performance.
Problem with IB is the huge die shrink = Less transistors than it should


Michio Kaku, is well known in the scientific community for being too dreamer and too clever.
Optical transistors are being under development right now, but quantum ones are just a dream right now.
Edited by Psyco Flipside - 4/18/12 at 6:56pm
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It's not like Moore's law just stops at a point, it slowing down and then comes to a stop. What we are seeing now and will be seeing in the following years are this slowing down.
That video only confirms what I was saying. When we reach 10nm (Michio Kaku: "5 atoms layer"), Moore's Law will stop because we won't be able to continue going down on litography ("huge heat and leaks + uncertainty principle"). Now, at 22nm, we are just fine and totally achieving Moore's Law, because we are hugely increasing the number of transistors.
The slowdown you claim, is just the increase on Intel's tick CPU launch dates because it will be much harder to achieve 14 and 10nm. Note that they are starting not to accomplish their tick-tock 1 year policy.

Less nm = More transistors in the same size = More IPS and FLOPS = More performance.
Problem with IB is the huge die shrink = Less transistors than it should

Moore's Law only applies to silicone (as we understand it today). It doesn't include new inventions coming into play. Such as diamond CPUs, or graphene. I don't keep up with this stuff, but you get the drift.

Moore's Law won't just stop one day, it will become irrelevant and a new law will probably be proposed (in the sense of it being redone as Michio says).
Edited by kennyparker1337 - 4/18/12 at 7:02pm
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How does Intel expect us to play the next Batman with this crap!?
    
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How does Intel expect us to play the next Batman with this crap!?

I am laughing so hard!! lmaosmiley.gif

+REP for this.
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