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Hey guys.

I recently put an order in for the parts of a build I'm gonna do.
Now, I need to get together my WC parts and order them as quickly as I can.

I am going to be cooling a 3930K and 2 GTX 680 Hydro Coppers in an NZXT Switch 810.

The loop will go in this order.
Res>Pump>240 rad>GPU>GPU>CPU>360 rad>Res

311 My loop

For the rads, I'm going to be using a Black Ice GT Stealth 360 Radiator on the top and a Black Ice Xtreme II Dual 120mm Radiator on the bottom. Both blue.

Top: http://www.frozencpu.com/products/4086/ex-rad-87/Black_Ice_GT_Stealth_360_Radiator_-_Blue.html?tl=g30c95s161

Bottom: http://www.frozencpu.com/products/2153/ex-rad-32/Black_Ice_Xtreme_II_Dual_120mm_Radiator_Blue_w_Customizable_Fittings.html?tl=g30c95s160

They are blue because my colors are gonna be white and blue.

I chose the thin rad on the top because with the ASUS Rampage IV Extreme motherboard, I won't be able to put a bigger rad in push/pull in the Switch.

I need fan suggestions for these rads.
I'm going for a quiet setup.
The two fans I am looking at are the Silverstone AP 121s and the Scythe Gentle Typhoons (1850 RPM).
Which would be better?
Or are there any others you would suggest?
Non LED. And only blue, white, or black blades.
Both rads are going to be push/pull

Next comes the CPU block.
I saw someone saying that you shouldn't have different types of metals in your loop.
So, since the GPUs are copper, the CPU block should be copper right?

I'm looking at these two copper ones.

First: http://www.frozencpu.com/products/10697/ex-blc-733/EK_Supreme_HF_Universal_CPU_Liquid_Cooling_Block_w_LGA_2011_Hardware_-_Rev_3_-_Full_Copper_Sockets_775_1156_1366_2011_939_940_754_AM2_AM2_AM3.html?tl=g30c325s1572

Second: http://www.frozencpu.com/products/14845/ex-blc-1039/XSPC_RayStorm_High_Performance_Acetal_CPU_Liquid_Cooling_Block_-_Special_Edition_Copper_Intel_Sockets_LGA_775_1155_1156_1366_2011.html?tl=g30c325s1572

I personally think the second one looks nicer.
Is there a big difference between the two quality and performance wise?
Are there others out there that are good? No acrylic ones please.
Also, do I need to use copper? Or can I go in another direction?


Now for tubing.
I want to do 1/2 ID and 3/4 OD. Some nice big CLEAR tubing.

I've heard Tygon is the best. But there are so many types of Tygon tubes that I don't know which one is right for me.
Need some help there.


For my fittings, I'm thinking of Bitspower compression fittings.
http://www.frozencpu.com/products/8099/ex-tub-423/Bitspower_Ultimate_G_14_Thread_12_ID_x_34_OD_Compression_Fitting_BP-CPF-CC5.html?tl=g30c409s1609

I'm thinking I would need 14.
If you could look at the pic up there of my loop to make sure. =)

Also, since this is my first watercooling build, I can't visualize everything perfectly. Would I need to get any 45 or 90 degree fittings? Or will the regular ones be enough?
Should I get some just to be safe?


Also, I'm seeing these quick disconnect things.
How exactly do those work? And are the beneficial?

I'm very lost on what to buy for coolant.
I want a clear blue color. None of that really thick looking stuff.
Kinda like this
http://www.million-dollar-pc.com/gallery-2009/murderbox/008/murderbox-03.jpg

Do I do distilled water and a dye?
Do I buy a colored coolant?

I'm thinking of this right now.
http://www.frozencpu.com/products/5599/ex-liq-36/PrimoChill_ICE_Non-Conductive_Liquid_Cooling_Fluid_32_oz_-_Steel_Blue.html?tl=g30c103s183

Is it really non-conductive?

What are these things that people say to add to your loop? killcoil? ptnuke?
What do the do? Are they needed?


For my reservoir, I want a 150mm cylindrical one.
There are so many different ones. What do you guys suggest?
I don't wanna buy one of those T-virus things.
No offense to the owners. They look badass, but I want a different look for this build.

This is the pump I'm most likely gonna buy.
http://www.frozencpu.com/products/6190/ex-pmp-54/Swiftech_MCP655_12v_Water_Pump_w_Speed_Control_and_38_Conversion_Kit_317_GPH.html?tl=g30c107s153

I've heard good stuff about this one.
If anyone has other suggestions, I'm all ears (or eyes). =)


I think that about sums it up.
I know it's a lot but I would really appreciate any help I can get.

Thanks guys and feel free to mention something that I might have forgotten, overlooked, written down incorrectly, or w/e.



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i'd sneak in a rad in between the gpu and cpu.
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never tried the silverstone so i dont have an impression on them, i have the ap-15's and i love them, however i am tempted to go to noiseblockers.

for the cpu block, both are great choices, however i to like the raystorm better. you can mix metal as long as the nickel is the EN version, if you want to be safe just keep it copper. and remember to get a kill coil or pt nuke to help kill the little nasties.

i personally would rather run distilled water thru the tubes and if you want color, get colored tubing. if not i heard mayhem's dye was awesome and doesn't cause gunk build up. something you don't want. Primochill or Tygon tubing is good. i believe Tygon is a bit easier to work with since it's flexible

i think 14 fittings is sufficent, and it wouldnt hurt to get 45 and 90* fittings as well. those will come in handy.

to help keep the clutter down, you could always get a top for the pump and attach it to the res if you wanted.

quick disconnects are a god send. i love mine, helps draining and hooking up everything so much easier. a quarter turn and it pops off with no leaks. if you go this route you should look at the koolance VL3N or VL4N
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From what I've read, loop order doesn't really matter.
It all becomes the same eventually.
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From what I've read, loop order doesn't really matter.
It all becomes the same eventually.

well...the hot water from the gpu will hit the cpu and then chilled before going into the res. Personally I would rather want the hot water from the gpu going to the rad to cool down before hitting your cpu. just my opinion. other then that you seem to have done research on your parts
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well...the hot water from the gpu will hit the cpu and then chilled before going into the res. Personally I would rather want the hot water from the gpu going to the rad to cool down before hitting your cpu. just my opinion. other then that you seem to have done research on your parts

Yea that's true, and it won't really change the look of the loop up either.
Thanks for the response.
Also, Do you have any video or something showing how the QDCs work?
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here you go:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w0J3eOn0Jec

now they say no leak...but there is a tiny drop that comes out. but unless you're shaking it around to make it purposely drip then well yeah it will drip, but just popping it off and leaving it there while you work, it will not leak.
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It does not really matter if the water is cooled before hitting anything as long as the water is cooled before starting the loop again. All the water is doing is carrying away the heat. Unless you are using ice water or something the order should not matter.
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I have the Rampage IV Extreme as well, you can fit a SR1 360 with push/pull no problem smile.gif

Gentle Typhoons or Yate Loons because they're cheap and perform really well. You'll need a fan controller anyways.

You can mix metals between Copper and Nickel, but you can not mix aluminum. If you do mix, make sure you use a corrosion inhibitor or a coolant with it pre-mixed. But yes, all copper or all nickel is the safest route.

The Raystorm and Supreme HF are both outstanding and are really a toss-up. You can't go wrong either way.

Tygon is fine, but I always use Primochill PrimoFlex LRT.

Bitspower compressions are great. I also recommend the Monsoon compressions if you like how they look thumb.gif

As for angles... You want 2x 45*s to go from the 240 to the GPUs. At least one 45* on the CPU block to go into from the GPUs, you could do a second to make it uniform and help go to the 360. You might also want one of the crazy like 3 or 4 rotary snake fittings to go from under the res to the 360, or just raise the res up and use a 90*. These are all recommendations, not necessities.

You will indeed need 14 if you use normal fittings between the cards. You might want to look into the SLI/CF linking fittings.

Quick Disconnects (QDCs) are useful if you need to put in a drain line or have a part of the loop that might need to be removed separately. They aren't necessary.

Your MDPC link to see the coolant doesn't work. You can just use distilled water (from Wal-Mart) and a dye or you can buy actual coolant.

That coolant is fine. Its non-conductive until you put it in your loop and it becomes contaminated with tiny pieces of metal. You really shouldn't worry unless you think your loop is going to spring a leak randomly. Even if it does, it usually doesn't hurt anything (I've had a couple back in the day). Look into Mayhem Dyes and coolant for sure.

Kill Coil and PT Nuke do the same thing essentially. A kill coil is a piece of .999 silver that keeps bacteria/algae from growing in your loop. PT Nuke is Copper Sulphate (or something like that) and does the same thing, but is just two drops of liquid mixed in. They are practically necessities.

The T-Virus's are badass. Trust me, I have one biggrin.gif They are pretty frequent now. You could just get a simple reservoir that's plain plastic/acrylic and call it a day or you could even get a dual-bay res. EK makes good reservoirs.

The MCP655 is a great pump. Pushes tons of water and lasts for years. Not sure you want the 3/8" conversion kit unless you replace it with a pump top (recommended entirely). Also, be forewarned (because I wasn't really), the pump is HUGE. No other way to describe it. Baseball size...

I write too much on here compared to school too biggrin.gif

As for loop order, you are correct. It does not matter. The water temperature will raise by 1*C typically after each block, but after a period of 10 minutes or so, it will normalize and you will not see a benefit with the radiator in the middle. It will slow down how long the CPU takes to reach that same temp, but won't change it.

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I have the Rampage IV Extreme as well, you can fit a SR1 360 with push/pull no problem smile.gif
Gentle Typhoons or Yate Loons because they're cheap and perform really well. You'll need a fan controller anyways.
You can mix metals between Copper and Nickel, but you can not mix aluminum. If you do mix, make sure you use a corrosion inhibitor or a coolant with it pre-mixed. But yes, all copper or all nickel is the safest route.
The Raystorm and Supreme HF are both outstanding and are really a toss-up. You can't go wrong either way.
Tygon is fine, but I always use Primochill PrimoFlex LRT.
Bitspower compressions are great. I also recommend the Monsoon compressions if you like how they look thumb.gif
As for angles... You want 2x 45*s to go from the 240 to the GPUs. At least one 45* on the CPU block to go into from the GPUs, you could do a second to make it uniform and help go to the 360. You might also want one of the crazy like 3 or 4 rotary snake fittings to go from under the res to the 360, or just raise the res up and use a 90*. These are all recommendations, not necessities.
You will indeed need 14 if you use normal fittings between the cards. You might want to look into the SLI/CF linking fittings.
Quick Disconnects (QDCs) are useful if you need to put in a drain line or have a part of the loop that might need to be removed separately. They aren't necessary.
Your MDPC link to see the coolant doesn't work. You can just use distilled water (from Wal-Mart) and a dye or you can buy actual coolant.
That coolant is fine. Its non-conductive until you put it in your loop and it becomes contaminated with tiny pieces of metal. You really shouldn't worry unless you think your loop is going to spring a leak randomly. Even if it does, it usually doesn't hurt anything (I've had a couple back in the day). Look into Mayhem Dyes and coolant for sure.
Kill Coil and PT Nuke do the same thing essentially. A kill coil is a piece of .999 silver that keeps bacteria/algae from growing in your loop. PT Nuke is Copper Sulphate (or something like that) and does the same thing, but is just two drops of liquid mixed in. They are practically necessities.
The T-Virus's are badass. Trust me, I have one biggrin.gif They are pretty frequent now. You could just get a simple reservoir that's plain plastic/acrylic and call it a day or you could even get a dual-bay res. EK makes good reservoirs.
The MCP655 is a great pump. Pushes tons of water and lasts for years. Not sure you want the 3/8" conversion kit unless you replace it with a pump top (recommended entirely). Also, be forewarned (because I wasn't really), the pump is HUGE. No other way to describe it. Baseball size...
I write too much on here compared to school too biggrin.gif
As for loop order, you are correct. It does not matter. The water temperature will raise by 1*C typically after each block, but after a period of 10 minutes or so, it will normalize and you will not see a benefit with the radiator in the middle. It will slow down how long the CPU takes to reach that same temp, but won't change it.
That about sums it up rolleyes.gif

Yeah, what he said teaching.gif
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I have the Rampage IV Extreme as well, you can fit a SR1 360 with push/pull no problem smile.gif
Gentle Typhoons or Yate Loons because they're cheap and perform really well. You'll need a fan controller anyways.
You can mix metals between Copper and Nickel, but you can not mix aluminum. If you do mix, make sure you use a corrosion inhibitor or a coolant with it pre-mixed. But yes, all copper or all nickel is the safest route.
The Raystorm and Supreme HF are both outstanding and are really a toss-up. You can't go wrong either way.
Tygon is fine, but I always use Primochill PrimoFlex LRT.
Bitspower compressions are great. I also recommend the Monsoon compressions if you like how they look thumb.gif
As for angles... You want 2x 45*s to go from the 240 to the GPUs. At least one 45* on the CPU block to go into from the GPUs, you could do a second to make it uniform and help go to the 360. You might also want one of the crazy like 3 or 4 rotary snake fittings to go from under the res to the 360, or just raise the res up and use a 90*. These are all recommendations, not necessities.
You will indeed need 14 if you use normal fittings between the cards. You might want to look into the SLI/CF linking fittings.
Quick Disconnects (QDCs) are useful if you need to put in a drain line or have a part of the loop that might need to be removed separately. They aren't necessary.
Your MDPC link to see the coolant doesn't work. You can just use distilled water (from Wal-Mart) and a dye or you can buy actual coolant.
That coolant is fine. Its non-conductive until you put it in your loop and it becomes contaminated with tiny pieces of metal. You really shouldn't worry unless you think your loop is going to spring a leak randomly. Even if it does, it usually doesn't hurt anything (I've had a couple back in the day). Look into Mayhem Dyes and coolant for sure.
Kill Coil and PT Nuke do the same thing essentially. A kill coil is a piece of .999 silver that keeps bacteria/algae from growing in your loop. PT Nuke is Copper Sulphate (or something like that) and does the same thing, but is just two drops of liquid mixed in. They are practically necessities.
The T-Virus's are badass. Trust me, I have one biggrin.gif They are pretty frequent now. You could just get a simple reservoir that's plain plastic/acrylic and call it a day or you could even get a dual-bay res. EK makes good reservoirs.
The MCP655 is a great pump. Pushes tons of water and lasts for years. Not sure you want the 3/8" conversion kit unless you replace it with a pump top (recommended entirely). Also, be forewarned (because I wasn't really), the pump is HUGE. No other way to describe it. Baseball size...
I write too much on here compared to school too biggrin.gif
As for loop order, you are correct. It does not matter. The water temperature will raise by 1*C typically after each block, but after a period of 10 minutes or so, it will normalize and you will not see a benefit with the radiator in the middle. It will slow down how long the CPU takes to reach that same temp, but won't change it.
That about sums it up rolleyes.gif
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Lol thanks guys.

So for the rads, I'm gonna go with the SR1 360 and the Xtreme Dual 120mm.
I'll buy 10 Gentle Typhoons.
Any recommendations for fan controllers?
I don't want any colorful or LED ones. Just something simple and effective.

I'm gonna go with the Raystorm block and the PrimoChill tubing. Will 10ft be enough? Or should I get 20 just in case I make mistakes?

I'll buy those angled fittings along with the regular ones. Maybe use the leftovers on another build.
And the crystal link tubes are pretty sweet. I always though people put really small bits of tubing between their GPUs.

For the pump, I think I'm gonna go with this. The blue one will look sweet.
http://www.frozencpu.com/products/14767/ex-pmp-172/Bitspower_D5_MCP655_Pump_Mod_Kit_D5MCP655_Mod_Top_V2_w_Alphacool_VPP_Variable_Speed_Pump_Installed.html#blank

For the QDCs, I was thinking to have one set between the 240 rad and the bottom GPU so I can drain easily.
Is that a good idea?
Are these good?

http://www.frozencpu.com/products/11309/koo-249/Koolance_QDC_Extreme_Flow_No-Spill_Female_Compression_13mm_12_x_19mm_34VL4N-F13-19S.html?tl=g30c405s1025

http://www.frozencpu.com/products/11310/koo-250/Koolance_QDC_Extreme_Flow_No-Spill_Male_Compression_13mm_12_x_19mm_34VL4N-M13-19S.html?tl=g30c405s1025

1 female and two males?

The other male would be for when I need to drain.
At least I think that's how it would work.
Correct me if I'm wrong.

This will be my res

http://www.frozencpu.com/products/9575/ex-res-156/Bitspower_Water_Tank_Z-Multi_150_Inline_Reservoir_BP-WTZM150P-BK.html?tl=g30c97s165

My coolant will be distilled water with Mayhems Deep Blue Dye and Petra's Tech PT Nuke.
I can put the PT Nuke with the dye right?

http://www.mayhems.co.uk/shop/en/mayhem-s-dye/23-10ml-mayhems-dye-deep-blue.html

http://www.sidewindercomputers.com/peptpcobi1.html

Once again, thanks for all the help.
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