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Consider that the price for 30" 2500x1600 monitors has been stagnant for 7 years or so, when in any other area display prices have been decimated. No argument that "those are niche for professional applications" can justify this. Come on, ipad has display of almost the same quality! It is just blatant price gauging.

There's just no demand for higher resolution displays for general consumers, they're pretty much stuck marketing to photographers, graphic designers and the like--who value the display for its color accuracy and little else, particularly input lag or refresh rate. Not to mention the lack of competition--considering they're all LG displays.

Our best hope for progression in this market (as much as it hurts to say) is Apple. Their coining of the term "Retina display" is what will drive the demand for higher resolution displays, but unfortunately we have to wait for them to market an iMac or Macbook Pro with a "Retina display" before other OEM's will feel the need to compete.

In the same way that the average consumer accepts that 1080p = HD, we have to wait for someone to raise the bar, and get Average Joe interested.
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Edited by Tegiri Nenashi - 4/13/12 at 5:53pm
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Meh, bought my ACD 27" a long while ago for $1000.
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I vehemently disagree with the idea that there is no wider consumer demand. Certainly the demand at >$1000 is lukewarm at best! Just drop price in half and get 10 or 100 times more in volume. Don't tell me the cost is more than $500, just don't. If similar 16:9 panel production cost is below $200 (judging by retail prices in Korea), then adding perhaps 11% more pixels would increase cost by how much (even considering higher probability of getting defects)?
Edited by Tegiri Nenashi - 4/13/12 at 5:50pm
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You can bargain the price down with Dell on the u3011. I called in and asked to pricematch with the Dell Canada site at $999. They came back to me with $1049. I got $100 cashback for syncing my amex with twitter so my end price is around $949. It might take a couple calls to bargain with different CSRs.
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I vehemently disagree with the idea that there is no wider consumer demand. Certainly the demand at >$1000 is lukewarm at best! Just drop price in half and get 10 or 100 times more in volume. Don't tell me the cost is more than $500, just don't. If similar 16:9 panel production cost is below $200 (judging by retail prices in Korea), then adding perhaps 11% more pixels would increase cost by how much (even considering higher probability of getting defects)?

General consumers want 65" LCD Tv's, resolution means nothing until the word "Retina" is involved. The very small share of the market that cares about color accuracy and resolution for productivity on a workstation (and the even smaller sect of enthusiast PC owners, like us) dictate the price that the higher end displays go for. If you bought a Dell 3007WFP in 2007 or a U3011 in 2010, you're not looking to upgrade anyways. The market is saturated--there's no demand, so why make a better product? It still sells, right? LG won't manufacture a higher resolution display until: A. GPU manufacturers support that resolution (catch 22, there.) B. Bluray's successor comes along and ups the ante C. Apple raises the bar.

You don't reinvent the wheel until the wheel stops selling. U3011 and ZR30W are still selling, within 10% of their day 1 MSRP. It's not price gouging, it's the complete opposite, there is no mass market demand. Apple, the ball is in your court.
     
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In the same way that the average consumer accepts that 1080p = HD, we have to wait for someone to raise the bar, and get Average Joe interested.
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I used to think 1080p was full HD...then I took a 1440p to the eyes.
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I used to think 1080p was full HD...then I took a 1440p to the eyes.

Hah, I am spoiled with high pixel density monitors now. I can never go back to 1080p or anything below 100 PPI. Anything above 108 PPI is just beautiful. My MacBook Pro has a 132 PPI display.
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Apple influence is significant, but 4K aka QuadHD is happening regardless. If neither Dell and nor HP are interested in price drop, why no other entrepreneurs step in? When the discrepancy between production cost and retail becomes ridiculously wide, isn't there a clear business opportunity to undercut those a...les? All you need to do for marketing is just throw in some magic words, like OMG, "3K pixel monitor!". It worked for digital cameras, why doesn't it work for displays?
Edited by Tegiri Nenashi - 4/13/12 at 7:05pm
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Consider that the price for 30" 2500x1600 monitors has been stagnant for 7 years or so, when in any other area display prices have been decimated. No argument that "those are niche for professional applications" can justify this. Come on, ipad has display of almost the same quality! It is just blatant price gauging.

There's just no demand for higher resolution displays for general consumers, they're pretty much stuck marketing to photographers, graphic designers and the like--who value the display for its color accuracy and little else, particularly input lag or refresh rate. Not to mention the lack of competition--considering they're all LG displays.

Our best hope for progression in this market (as much as it hurts to say) is Apple. Their coining of the term "Retina display" is what will drive the demand for higher resolution displays, but unfortunately we have to wait for them to market an iMac or Macbook Pro with a "Retina display" before other OEM's will feel the need to compete.

In the same way that the average consumer accepts that 1080p = HD, we have to wait for someone to raise the bar, and get Average Joe interested.
Pretty much this...
Apple is pretty damn good at taking a niche market product and selling the crap out of it somewhere down the line.
They will probably be upset that other OEMs follow suit but it's not like Apple can really do anything about it.
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