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Okay, so I have an issue I am new to these forums I do apologize if I am asking in the wrong place.

I want to buy an SSD , particularly a sata iii since it's faster than a sata ii, So i was very close to just ordering this m4 crucial sean's guide recommended when i figured out my motherboard doesn't have sata iii. So I have been looking for alternatives and I found this pci-e 2.0 sata iii controller card.

SYBA SY-PEX40039 PCI-Express 2.0 SATA III (6.0Gb/s) Controller Card

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16816124045


Since I primarily want to use this SSD for my OS. I don't know know if it would be the best idea. Would it still run as fast as an onboard sata iii?

BTW I am not the most knowledgeable when it comes to computers but this is my motherboard.I got this disappointed a bit when I found out I cannot overclock my i5 with it, and now even more when I found out it doesn't have an sata iii port.

ASROCK H61M-HVS

http://www.asrock.com/mb/overview.asp?Model=H61M-HVS


I seriously don't whats the issue, but this happened a few day's ago. I installed the drivers to my new gaming keyboard, and I started to get a prompt at uefi/bios, asking where to boot from HDD or CD drive. Windows 7 would load fine, no issue at all, but I just did not want that prompt at boot up. So I am trying to figure out for like 10-15mins how to get rid of it using the uefi settings. So i decided let me just set the UEFI settings to default. Prompt is gone, but now windows won't load I get a blue screen so quick i can't even see the error code.

So I installed windows 7 over the windows 7 it already had with the disc ibuypower gave me, and I didn't format I just installed over the old one (big partition) b/c I had a lot of files in there i need to keep and get back through windows.old. I installed all drivers, updated them, deleted windows.old and did my initial tweaks I had done before when I bought the computer. Now here's the thing my boot time now is 2x longer. It takes 30 seconds to boot my windows 7 when it used to take roughly 12. So I don't know what I did wrong, my friend told me it could be a bad HDD, or I did a bad install of windows 7. I honestly don't know my knowledge about computers is a strong 6/10. So that is why i am interested into buying an SSD b/c i really do care about the boot time of my computer, and I don't whether to buy that card for sata iii or buy a new motherboard, so I could overclock in the future (which is not much of a biggie for me). So please insight me, in why my boot time is 2x as it used to be before?

Once again, i apologize if this is in the wrong forum.
post #2 of 16
Your HDDs could be severely fragmented and so could your registry too, but as you said its a new installation. I would say try to defragment them and tell me if that works.

EDIT: Also try and plug the controller card into different slots. It could be running at 1.5GBs not 6.
     
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What happens when u just install over existing OS,Is there are file basicly in the middle of the drive.Try defragging the drive,That may help.
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What happens when u just install over existing OS,Is there are file basicly in the middle of the drive.Try defragging the drive,That may help.

what does a defraggler do? i just downloaded one from piriform the same guy's as ccleaner, is it good?


Also I am yet to buy an SSD, I am just asking would an SSD with an OS run as good as it would connected to Onboard Sata instead of that pci-e sata card.
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what does a defraggler do? i just downloaded one from piriform the same guy's as ccleaner, is it good?
Also I am yet to buy an SSD, I am just asking would an SSD with an OS run as good as it would connected to Onboard Sata instead of that pci-e sata card.

You can use the built in Windows defragmenter. A defragmenter rearranges files on a hard disk drive (HDD) to optimize reading and writing files faster. A hard drive uses a spinning disk and a read head to read and write files, so it benefits from defragmenting.

However, do not defragment a solid state disk (SSD) because it is unnecessary and reduces lifespan. SSD do not have any spinning mechanical parts so defragmenting will not help.

Windows is automatically set up to defragment your HDD every Wednesday night by default.

You should use the onboard Intel SATA ports for your SSD. Cheaper PCIe SATA cards tend to perform poorly.
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Oh okay so it does boost performance, i am running it right now, Its an HDD, not an SSD, sorry for the mix up, how long does it usually take? 1st pass it did 27% now it's on 2nd 0%.

Also I have two drives to deframent, one is windows C and the other is Volume, should I do both?


(wow its an pass 6 now 70% defragment)

thank you guys.



I don't have an SSD, I really want one. So that card link I provided over there, I just wanted to know if it would work on this motherboard. Since I am going to install my OS on that Crucial m4 im going to buy, Would it still run as good running off that PCI-E Sata card, as would an onboard sata III.
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what does a defraggler do? i just downloaded one from piriform the same guy's as ccleaner, is it good?
Also I am yet to buy an SSD, I am just asking would an SSD with an OS run as good as it would connected to Onboard Sata instead of that pci-e sata card.

Sorry I took so long to get back with u,Defragging will compact the files and should move them closer to the edge of the hdd plater.There for faster reads when booting.
And I understand that u have not bought your ssd yet.
Also like Riou said you never want to defragg your ssd,when you get one.
CCleaner is a great tool too.
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Sorry I took so long to get back with u,Defragging will compact the files and should move them closer to the edge of the hdd plater.There for faster reads when booting.
And I understand that u have not bought your ssd yet.
Also like Riou said you never want to defragg your ssd,when you get one.
CCleaner is a great tool too.


I want to buy a crucial m4 which is SATA III, my motherboard doesn't have SATA iii , it has SATA ii. SO would this card here fix my problem?

SYBA SY-PEX40039 PCI-Express 2.0 SATA III (6.0Gb/s) Controller Card
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16816124045


Once, I buy the SSD, im going to run an OS on it, So i wanted to know would the performance be just as good running it on this pci-e card instead of an onboard SATA controller.
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Quote:
Originally Posted by AMOCO View Post

Sorry I took so long to get back with u,Defragging will compact the files and should move them closer to the edge of the hdd plater.There for faster reads when booting.
And I understand that u have not bought your ssd yet.
Also like Riou said you never want to defragg your ssd,when you get one.
CCleaner is a great tool too.


I want to buy a crucial m4 which is SATA III, my motherboard doesn't have SATA iii , it has SATA ii. SO would this card here fix my problem?

SYBA SY-PEX40039 PCI-Express 2.0 SATA III (6.0Gb/s) Controller Card
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16816124045


Once, I buy the SSD, im going to run an OS on it, So i wanted to know would the performance be just as good running it on this pci-e card instead of an onboard SATA controller.

I suggest you use the onboard SATA instead of using a PCIe card. PCIe cards add latency and are not really worth it just for SATA 3. You will hardly even notice the difference in use b/w SATA 6Gb/s and SATA 3Gb/s honestly, even 2 SSDs in RAID 0 there is hardly a difference in real world use.

If you do end up getting a a card you need a card that is at least PCIe 2.0 x4. Like this: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16816115077

Also, with a addon card your boot times will be lengthened.
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I suggest you use the onboard SATA instead of using a PCIe card. PCIe cards add latency and are not really worth it just for SATA 3. You will hardly even notice the difference in use b/w SATA 6Gb/s and SATA 3Gb/s honestly, even 2 SSDs in RAID 0 there is hardly a difference in real world use.
If you do end up getting a a card you need a card that is at least PCIe 2.0 x4. Like this: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16816115077
Also, with a addon card your boot times will be lengthened.

wow, thank you. This is pretty much what was coming into mind, more work has to be done running an SSD OS through a pci-e card, I don't know what RAID is or RAID 0 or CARDS. So I should buy a sata ii SSD? there isn't a strong difference between the 3gb/s and 6gb/s ? If so, what SSD do you recommend me that's SATA II.

wow... SATA II SSD are much more expensive, I really wanted that crucial m4 frown.gif

Anyways I defragged My HDD right now, and there is a difference, but the boot time is still not as good as before, it has now dropped to 20seconds though which is nice. Thank you guys, any more ideas as of what I could do, oh and I did clean my registry with CCleaner as well.
Edited by espawnsy - 4/13/12 at 11:47am
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