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post #11 of 52
4/13/12 at 10:28am
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That's perfectly fine. Now we can move on, for once. We can make it illegal to copy code that we don't have the rights to use. =O OMG, that might even fall under the idea of creating better copywright laws. OMG, we can then also start working on the idea that patents need to be re-designed with the new copywright laws.

I just had an epiphany, oh no that happened years ago when I realized that half the people who even understand what code is are dumb as rocks. Sorry for being mean but this is something that should have been defined years ago. As well as very specific copywright laws and patent laws. Instead of the BS that we've had, that many of us (for years) have been complaining about.

This post describes the entire situation very well. +rep
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I've always argued that piracy was theft of control, not theft of the IP itself.

In all honesty, in this day and age simply releasing the program is theft of control. Perfect example being DVD Decrypter, it was withdrawn from support due to legal issues and the site taken down but that didn't stop others hosting what they already had, piracy or no piracy. Same with Old Games that cost money at one point. (That link is a bad example, but there are other cases that aren't really classed as piracy but still are out of control of the developer)

I can see your point though, and it is a very good one. Pirates don't care that you don't want your application spread and they're going to do it anyway.
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4/13/12 at 10:29am
Piracy isn't theft with or without this ruling. Its a straight forward thing.
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4/13/12 at 11:10am
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I'm mostly excited to see this carry over to digital music and movie downloads. Not that I condone the piracy aspect of it, (I'm more of a Pandora/satellite radio subscription guy) I'd just love to see the MPAA and RIAA roll over into their graves. MPAA/RIAA and artists alike need to acknowledge the technology age we're in. Much like Blockbuster/other movie rental businesses are disintegrating, where Netflix makes a tremendous use of high speed streaming technology, these artists need to start looking at their options. A few bands that I enjoy offer fan subscriptions via their website. If you're a paying member, you get to watch live video concerts they perform every once in a while from their own home, chat with them, and get discounts on their clothes/accessories. The artists can do this in the comfort of their own homes, pocket the revenue all for themselves (their record label would not be involved) and they have a constant flow of money from their subscribed fans.

Option 1:
Starve to death. Sell your albums for ~$10 a pop, give their record label more than half of that.
Fans buy a single copy for ~$10 and they walk away.

Option 2:
Fans subscribe for ~$5-$10/month to their fan club. The artist has no obligation to pay their record label. Pure profit, and much more than just $10 from each of their fans.
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post #14 of 52
4/13/12 at 11:15am
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What you did, by making TWO operations more efficient instead of ONE, was increase total output capacity of that given field. You might've torpedoed the profitability of the first company, but I find increasing the total output capacity of a market to be more important than the profitability and efficiency of one company in that market.

And the company who had their code stoln won't bother to create any newer efficient code in the future because it can be copied, and others will do the same leading to stagnation. No one will bother advancing technologies for the benefit of mankind alone, it's all about the money.
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4/13/12 at 11:22am
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And the company who had their code stoln won't bother to create any newer efficient code in the future because it can be copied, and others will do the same leading to stagnation. No one will bother advancing technologies for the benefit of mankind alone, it's all about the money.

Explain open-source software then. Plus, a company ALWAYS needs get an edge over their competitor, regardless of whether their edge may dull more quickly.
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4/13/12 at 11:27am
can you get them for making illegal copies and then steal the copies?
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4/13/12 at 11:33am
I think in the long run this will be a good thing. Finally the governments are wising up, slowly but surely. This could really be a gateway as it's making the courts view ...code, virtual software, digital media, literally everything that's made on computers from a different and and realistic angle. Maybe one day it will lead to provide regulations against companies selling unfinished products (like games) amongst other things...we all know there's alot of games out there released on promises which are never met then abandoned leaving people hanging and out their cash.

I'm just glad to see they're starting to see the complexity of such matters, it's time to update the systems to today's standards...
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4/13/12 at 11:34am
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I'm mostly excited to see this carry over to digital music and movie downloads. Not that I condone the piracy aspect of it, (I'm more of a Pandora/satellite radio subscription guy) I'd just love to see the MPAA and RIAA roll over into their graves. MPAA/RIAA and artists alike need to acknowledge the technology age we're in. Much like Blockbuster/other movie rental businesses are disintegrating, where Netflix makes a tremendous use of high speed streaming technology, these artists need to start looking at their options. A few bands that I enjoy offer fan subscriptions via their website. If you're a paying member, you get to watch live video concerts they perform every once in a while from their own home, chat with them, and get discounts on their clothes/accessories. The artists can do this in the comfort of their own homes, pocket the revenue all for themselves (their record label would not be involved) and they have a constant flow of money from their subscribed fans.
Option 1:
Starve to death. Sell your albums for ~$10 a pop, give their record label more than half of that.
Fans buy a single copy for ~$10 and they walk away.
Option 2:
Fans subscribe for ~$5-$10/month to their fan club. The artist has no obligation to pay their record label. Pure profit, and much more than just $10 from each of their fans.

I don't think it will carry over. This case was an exception because the code in question wasn't a commodity up for sale -- unlike digital music.
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Piracy isn't theft with or without this ruling. Its a straight forward thing.

What? Just by definition alone its theft. Case and point how many programs do you have on the market, and make a living from?

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I'm mostly excited to see this carry over to digital music and movie downloads. Not that I condone the piracy aspect of it, (I'm more of a Pandora/satellite radio subscription guy) I'd just love to see the MPAA and RIAA roll over into their graves. MPAA/RIAA and artists alike need to acknowledge the technology age we're in. Much like Blockbuster/other movie rental businesses are disintegrating, where Netflix makes a tremendous use of high speed streaming technology, .

Most of the movie rentals stores are gone. Blockbuster has been out of business over 2 years. Movie gallery went under 18 months ago. Its the studios that cut the deals with the rentals (family video, net flix) and, pay per view. The studio or publisher is no different than a record label.
There are already intellectual property laws (IP) on the books. Its pretty easy to understand.

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IP is defined as an intangible form of property, as opposed to personal property or real property, which is concrete and much more easily defined. IP is the result of the creation of the brain or the mind, which is then manifested or interpreted in a form that has a physical existence and possesses exclusive property rights. Examples include images, symbols, names, designs, industrial processes and business methods used in commerce; inventions; artistic, literary and musical works; and software.
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4/13/12 at 4:47pm
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I've always said IP laws are great way to stagnate growth in a modern society. Given current technology, IP laws are growing to be less pragmatic. If your competitors can copy you, it forces you to be even more innovative, and quicker to update your product.

WHAT!? So if I just spent 2 years on some software, you're telling me that it's ok for someone to come along when I release it and say, oh. No, I actually made that. Current legal system reguarding code is retarded. They say you can't steal it because it's not physical. What? Then how is appearing in front of me. Better yet, this same logical argument can be made for written language. Oh well, you don't own the language, you just manipulated words to write that book. You don't actually own you're writting.

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