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post #11 of 19
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Thanks for the input esteban. I was thinking about that. So no, I do not need six cores and a build with the 3820 is 200gbp less, for very minor, if any, game improvement. All other tasks are super fast anyway and the extra core power does nothing extraordinary for me at least.

What I wanted to get from the LGA2011 platform is to be futureproof, ie get an ivy bridge-e in there in 1 year's time. There is no reason for me to go for the 3930. Instead, it would be best if I get a better mobo, that would last a while and has some extra functionalities like bluetooth and wireless network.

Thank you for the input all. You guided me to the right direction.

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post #12 of 19
Solt your last post sums up my thinking when I built my rig a couple of weeks ago and like you I was going to go for the 3930K; mainly because I'd skipped SB but always wanted one of those 2600K's, so when it came to building LGA 2011 I naturally leaned towards the 3930K. But my friend luckily talked some sense into me and I used the cash saved to get a better Mobo (Sabertooth), an extra SSD for RAID and a GTX680 instead of a GTX580 and I'm glad I did.

The 3930K would have made almost zero difference in gaming over the 3820. But the RAID means I'm now first to load the level (That's my BF3 chopper now sukca! biggrin.gif) and my 680 means I can run the game on Ultra Settings, in 1080p and at 60FPS easily. If you love gaming always skew your budget toward the GFX card over the CPU.

Like you, I saw the LGA 2011 platform as upgradeable later, and what's the point paying 450 quid for a CPU that I may well swap out for IB-E next year? And when IB-E does come out, I would guess the 3930K price will drop substatially anyway.

Now some may same you could say the same about the 680 I bought, the difference is the 680 is making a noticiable difference to me now, and in a couple of years I can just stick another one in for SLI (by which time they wil be much cheaper anyway) and I'll have a beast of a GFX card set up again. You can't do that with a CPU.

Very few people need 6 cores right now, I'm waiting for IB-E (but even then I din't think software would have advanced that much) and remember to accomodate those extra cores Intel have had to bump the clock speed down on them (3820 = 3.6Ghz stock, 3930k = 3.2Ghz stock) so the 3820 is actually faster in any application that can't access more than 4 cores (i.e 98% of commercial software right now).
Edited by estebanrey - 4/17/12 at 3:50am
post #13 of 19
Concerning the bracket adaptor for the 2011 socket, you might wanna contact the fabricant or your cooler. I have a 1st rev of a H70 and when i ask Corsair about the braket they release after ive got a reply within 48h on how to get the free bracket kit. Took 9 days for it to get here wich is Brasil, so +1 to Corsair on this one. Who knows they might offer the same services...

Btw if spending the $ on a 3930k won't hurt or starve your kid, just go for it, you may not make full use of it now but who knows you won't in a few. And you can always put it for folding thumb.gif it's a great cpu for that.
post #14 of 19
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Btw if spending the $ on a 3930k won't hurt or starve your kid, just go for it, you may not make full use of it now but who knows you won't in a few. And you can always put it for folding thumb.gif it's a great cpu for that.

But if he won't take advantage of it now what's the point when he can wait for IB-E which will probably be 8 cores anyway (the LGA 2011 are actually 8 core chips, they just run out as 4 or 6 currently)? And at that point the 3930K should be a lot cheaper (if he needs it).

If we were talking a 30% mark-up for the 3930K i'd probably agree but where I come from (The UK) the 3930K is TWICE the price of the 3820!!! I really cannot see justifying paying 100% more for a 50% gain in cores which won't probably be used by the OP and are slower to boot (I know the 3930K can be overclocked but despite the "unlocked and unleashed" gimmick on the box the 3820 seems to be able to achieve higher stable clocks from what I've seen on this board.

I guess it comes down to how rich you are, if £200 is a drop in the Ocean to you and getting the 3930K won't effect the rest of your build budget then fine go for it but for most people (and I suspect the OP) by getting the 3930K it measn you have to make comprimises elsewhere whereas the money saved by not getting it (and opting for the 3820) can be used on things that will make a noticeable difference to your computer speed.

To put it simply, if I'd have gone for the 3930K my PC would have been overall slower than it is now (for what I use it for).
post #15 of 19
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I will most likely get an asus rampage extreme, which ships with a cooler adaptor kit for the 1366 cpu coolers. This will essentially save me the hassle of looking or paying for something so simple.

I feel the money is better wasted in a good motherboard. I was cheap once for my mobo and I am still regretting it, when I got the p6 se which had no sli support and limited sata ports.

ps the jetstream 680 arrived early today and I will give a spin tonight, with some skyrim...
post #16 of 19
Again Solt you share my way of thinking, I've never bought the cheapest motherboards, I regard the Mobo as THE main part of your PC from which everything else just temporarily lives on until you upgrade it. It's A LOT easier to drop in a new CPU at a later date than than effectively have to re-build your PC if you have to buy a new mobo.

The extreme may be a little overkill though, unless you realistically will be looking for quad SLi in the future. I haven't studied all the specs by the Rampage Formula is a third cheaper, has the same colour scheme and I expect all the same features and will definately have the same build quality as the extreme although weirdly they've chosen to put 4 dimm slots on it compared to the 8 on the extreme.???? Fine, but my Saberttoh which is cheaper than both has 8 dimm slots so I feel Asus deliberately removed 4 Dimm slots from the Rampage Formula just so it doesn't take too many sales away from the extereme biggrin.gif
Edited by estebanrey - 4/17/12 at 4:39am
post #17 of 19
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Again Solt you share my way of thinking, I've never bought the cheapest motherboards, I regard the Mobo as THE main part of your PC from which everything else just temporarily lives on until you upgrade it. It's A LOT easier to drop in a new CPU at a later date than than effectively have to re-build your PC if you have to buy a new mobo.
The extreme may be a little overkill though, unless you realistically will be looking for quad SLi in the future. I haven't studied all the specs by the Rampage Formula is a third cheaper, has the same colour scheme and I expect all the same features and will definately have the same build quality as the extreme although weirdly they've chosen to put 4 dimm slots on it compared to the 8 on the extreme.???? Fine, but my Saberttoh which is cheaper than both has 8 dimm slots so I feel Asus deliberately removed 4 Dimm slots from the Rampage Formula just so it doesn't take too many sales away from the extereme biggrin.gif

The Formula sacrificed the extra RAM slots in favor of keeping the ability to have Quad-SLI/Fire for gaming purposes. It was a cost cutting decision that, according to Asus, shouldn't really affect gamers as you can still have 16GB and 32GB of RAM respectively, depending on which kits you choose. These were the main points that drove me to choose this board over the others. thumb.gif You also lose out on some extra USB ports, and other bells and whistles that may be helpful when doing extreme overclocking compared to the Extreme.

Looking at the comments in favor of the 3820, I'm leaning closer and closer to the 3820 for the immediate time being as I am not yet prepared to jump straight into GTX 680 or GK 110 Tri/Quad-SLI just yet. I figure, if anything, I can always sell off the 3820 for a small loss and migrate right into a 3930K or IB-E when I actually need it. redface.gif
     
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post #18 of 19
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Right.

Update:
The jetstream 680 sent to me was broken. I RMA'd it, and now I am waiting for the replacement. Overclockers UK did a fast job looking at it and acknowledging the obvious to me so *fingers crossed* i will be getting one soon.

Now, I have made up my mind that I will buy the i7-3820 and a motherboard.

I agree that I do not need the asus rampage extreme but I do need a bluetooth connector, support for sli, usb 3, 6 sata ports, wireless on the mobo, 7.1 sound and decent build quality. If I find these in a 20£ model I will buy it.

Open to suggestions...
post #19 of 19
Considering that you want Bluetooth and Wifi in the bundle, the Gigabyte UD5 is the cheapest board that would satisfy all of the above requirements. However, I don't know if you know this, but it's worth noting that Gigabyte bundles the Bluetooth and Wifi on a single PCIE 1X card - it is not built into the motherboard.

With that in mind, if you're OK with it, you could check out other motherboards and buy the Bluetooth/Wifi card separately, which can broaden your choices a little bit. Otherwise, the UD5 and higher models from Gigabyte really are your only choices. redface.gif
     
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