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But you are wrong, AMD are the best in the low and mid range. It's interesting how many ignore or forget that the high end is meaningless to either Intel or AMD, as we're not even 5% of their market. AMD's APU's are superiour to Intel's, which is all that matters. If AMD abandon the high end market and concentrate solely on APU's they will still make a killing. Of course they won't as their server products are also pretty good.
The high end means bragging rights. It's purely maketting, nothing more. I have heard quite a few so called 'computer technicians' say that nVidia's products are supriour simply because they have the fastest video card. When asked how that is in any way shape or form related to something that's a sixth of the price of 'the best' they get aggressive and angry because you're questioning their wisdom. When you have these self proclaimed guru's, who know nothing and can't think logically, you need a marketting team to bring your products to the masses.

Yes I agree with you; high-end segment do not mean squat. But it still has some marketing value in the end. However, the average person going into a Bestbuy to pick up a laptop will probably not care if AMD offers great savings... even if he does know that Intel is this well-known brand.

But the same game works for Intel as well. They don't need to sell their products at a lower price; people will still buy their stuff because they're simply Intel (leaving performance aside).
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But the same game works for Intel as well. They don't need to sell their products at a lower price; people will still buy their stuff because they're simply Intel (leaving performance aside).

This is AMD's burden.

If people were to forget their prejudices, AMD's market share would skyrocket.
   
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Yeah after bulldozer and seeing intel just keep pulling farther and farther ahead I had to finally make the switch.. They're getting farther behind in the enthusiast and performance markets.
This is pretty much where I am at but those of us that care about enthusiast level or peformance level hardware (CPU side obviously GPU a little different) shouldn't hold our breaths
I dont think AMD is a failure. I think they are a failure in the CPU enthusiast and performance market
Low end sales? Mobile sales? Sure they're gonna remain in an OK position. However, in the market that this website is interested in I fail to see how they will regain so much lost ground in any reasonable amount of time. Either Intel is going to have to stay in development stasis for 3 to 5 years or AMD is going to have to have a miracle breakthrough to get back to competing. As it is they arent even price competitive at this point with i3-2100 and i5-2500 plus the new Ivy series smoking anything AMD has at the same price points. Why do you think im on a 2600k and not an 8150? I had an AM3+ board since september with an 1100T in it waiting for the BD release. For a 300 dollar CPU its not competitive enough. It does good in tasks that dont transfer over to real world usage but in most (if not all) real world applications it got smoked by something that was the same price point as it.
Lets just look at the FX-6100... Newegg is selling them for 150 bucks last time I looked... I sold my USED 1100T for 170 not even a month ago. We can hope piledriver improves significantly but even if it does by the time PD comes out we'll have steppings of Ivy bridge that may have fixed its heating issue. (heat aside it draws less power and performs better than SB which performs better than FX)
I like AMD I want them to do well competition is good for everyone. But it doesnt look like, at least in the enthusiast and performance markets, that AMD has a chance in hell of recovering.
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There is a reason why every single thread about an amd build comes with "im on a budget" or help "budget build" amd are now very low grade. But with bulldozer its even worse, you are paying almost if not the same for the 2500k and getting way less performance. They really need to step things up intel are pulling further and further ahead.
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My old soon to be replaced 960t will perform the same as an 8120/50 some times even better while being years old how is that not complete utter fail.

960T will stand up to anything Intel can offer in the same price range. And it is a new processor,not 3 years old. You could not buy one even 6 months ago.Sure it is the same as the Thubans,but over time they have improved the process considerably.
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Well amd will continue to be for people on a low grade budget builds while intel will just keep pulling further and further ahead. The glory days where amd could compete in performance and price ahh.
No but in all seriousnessssss we need to see a new socket from amd asap, would love to see if they could bring it back, becuase we would hate to see a monopoly from intel tongue.gif .
Edited by Projector - 4/15/12 at 5:15am
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Well amd will continue to be for people on a low grade budget builds while intel will just keep pulling further and further ahead. The glory days where amd could compete in performance and price ahh.
No but in all seriousnessssss we need to see a new socket from amd asap, would love to see if they could bring it back, becuase we would hate to see a monopoly from intel tongue.gif .

I don't know where your hatred for AMD comes from but as you are desperate for AMD to leave the CPU market you are welcome to spend 1000 USD on a 50MHz speed bump, which it would be like if Intel had a 100% monopoly on the market. But I don't see you sitting there with an Intel flagship CPU, so, what are you complaining about?
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AMD is not going away at the moment.

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AMD is not going anywhere at the moment.

Lies, filthy lies.



AMD is going... to places... like, up and stuff.
    
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I don't know where your hatred for AMD comes from but as you are desperate for AMD to leave the CPU market you are welcome to spend 1000 USD on a 50MHz speed bump, which it would be like if Intel had a 100% monopoly on the market. But I don't see you sitting there with an Intel flagship CPU, so, what are you complaining about?

Try $200 for the 2500k which outperforms anything amd has for games atm by atleast 20-30% every time.
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I don't know where your hatred for AMD comes from but as you are desperate for AMD to leave the CPU market you are welcome to spend 1000 USD on a 50MHz speed bump, which it would be like if Intel had a 100% monopoly on the market. But I don't see you sitting there with an Intel flagship CPU, so, what are you complaining about?
Try $200 for the 2500k which outperforms anything amd has for games atm by atleast 20-30% every time.

doh.gif

If amd leave's the CPU department i can safely say You WONT get the 2500k for $200.
 

 

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I don't know where your hatred for AMD comes from but as you are desperate for AMD to leave the CPU market you are welcome to spend 1000 USD on a 50MHz speed bump, which it would be like if Intel had a 100% monopoly on the market. But I don't see you sitting there with an Intel flagship CPU, so, what are you complaining about?
Try $200 for the 2500k which outperforms anything amd has for games atm by atleast 20-30% every time.

"Try $200 for the 2500k" ? What, I don't... Did you even read his post?

Let me explain it to you in terms you can understand:

If AMD no more make CPU ---> Intel = only CPU maker ---> Intel can increase prices ---> Intel will increase prices ---> You pay more for less.


Simple enough for you?



Oh, and I'd like to see those gaming benchmarks where AMD loses 20-30% every time. Please, I'm waiting.


In the mean time, go hone up your trolling skills, you're obviously lacking and failing hard.
    
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