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Just for the record, that is a horrible analogy, car manufactures steal from each other constantly.
Cars may all need 4 wheels, an engine, transmission, etc, but what Woz is saying is that the big companies own so many patents that it's like if you want to make a new car and put 4 wheels on it, you will have to pay license fees because the big 3 own the rights to all 4 wheeled designs.
So Apple may be the good guy in that they own a lot of patents that they COULD sue for but they don't.
Like: truetype fonts for example.
As for Android, it's an iOS clone through and through. But in my opinion that should be ok to do because if not, we'll never move ahead at all.

They sued over a hyperlink in HTC phones.

So, your theory of them not suing over frivolous things is kind of moot.
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Won't go further into that topic, but the huge obnoxious Apple logo and Samsung emblems that are both all over the retail packaging and on the phones themselves make it rather obvious. Of course a LAWYER or judge won't be able to tell the difference with the screens off. If someone wants an Apple product, they're NOT going to accidentally buy the Samsung product. There is enough obvious branding to distinguish the two, much like these cars:
Do you think the average person will know which one is a Hyundai and which one is an Infiniti?
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How about these?
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What sets off the most obvious difference between the two? The brand. One is a Hyundai, the other is an Infiniti/Mercedes. Someone who is shopping around for a MERCEDES is NOT going to accidentally walk into a Hyundai dealer and buy a Hyundai, much like someone who is shopping for an Apple product isn't going to inadvertently buy a Samsung product. rolleyes.gif

Not everyone is so keenly aware of the difference though.

If you told your Mom, Spouse, SO, that you wanted an iPad for Christmas, is it possible that they could become confuse by a product that looks like the one you showed them? I realize that that is a fairly loose analogy there but that is the point, not everyone cares who made the product.

So if you get a Galaxy Tab instead of an iPad, don't blame me, blame Samsung. smile.gif
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Not everyone is so keenly aware of the difference though.
If you told your Mom, Spouse, SO, that you wanted an iPad for Christmas, is it possible that they could become confuse by a product that looks like the one you showed them? I realize that that is a fairly loose analogy there but that is the point, not everyone cares who made the product.
So if you get a Galaxy Tab instead of an iPad, don't blame me, blame Samsung. smile.gif

Your argument fails because Samsung is not selling under the same name/brand. That is the reason the car makers can essentially make the same design for cars and not face off in court. The branding allows for differentiation right there. So no, Apple is going over the line claiming that a few minor appearance similarities will cause dilution of it's brand (which is what your example is based under). Apple should go after those who use the BOTH 1:1 physical copying and branding imitation/copying as that is well established as illegal/culpable for damaging their brand.

I'll counter your example...say you want an Samsung Monitor/HDTV for xmas....is it possible that someone could become confused by a product that looks like the one you showed them? The flaw in your argument is that so long as they have the brand name/model name...confusion is not likely/possible unless there are "knock offs" illegally using the same name. This is why fashion/bag designers went to war with Google over the fact Google didn't censor "knock-offs" being sold above the real products.
     
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Not everyone is so keenly aware of the difference though.

If you told your Mom, Spouse, SO, that you wanted an iPad for Christmas, is it possible that they could become confuse by a product that looks like the one you showed them? I realize that that is a fairly loose analogy there but that is the point, not everyone cares who made the product.

So if you get a Galaxy Tab instead of an iPad, don't blame me, blame Samsung. smile.gif

doh.gif

No, it is mostly not possible for someone who wants to buy specifically an iPhone to accidentally buy a Galaxy S2. "Oh? Galaxy S2? Looks like a smartphone, it must be the iPhone he's been wanting!" Consider the millions of other products that simply "look alike," TVs being a prime example. If someone wants an LG TV, they're not going to just accidentally walk out of the store with a Samsung TV, regardless of how similar all brands of current-gen TVs are in design (they're nearly all identical). The packaging and store shelf would clearly distinguish it as a Samsung product, much like the store shelf would have obnoxious Apple logo ads and signs all around their iPhones.

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Which one is which there bruh? LG/Samsung screens. Obviously, the only way you can distinguish brands and models is by their branding, either on the packaging or on the shelf. No different in any way whatsoever between the Samsung phones and the iPhone. If anything, the phones are easier to distinguish as they offer two entirely different operating systems, and the S2 has a much larger screen.
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Not everyone is so keenly aware of the difference though.
If you told your Mom, Spouse, SO, that you wanted an iPad for Christmas, is it possible that they could become confuse by a product that looks like the one you showed them? I realize that that is a fairly loose analogy there but that is the point, not everyone cares who made the product.
So if you get a Galaxy Tab instead of an iPad, don't blame me, blame Samsung. smile.gif

I saw a woman go into a store and complain that they sold her an iPad when she asked for an iPad 2. They had to spend 5 minutes convincing her that she did, in fact, hold an iPad 2 in her hand. You can't account for stupid. And let's be honest: if they can't tell by obvious signs like branding one product from another, did they really need that specific product in the first place? Such a person is unlikely to have specific application requirements, because it takes more work to determine what you need than it does to determine what brand a product is. It's like the LG vs Samsung example above. If you don't know how to tell them apart, does it really matter which one you buy?
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Not everyone is so keenly aware of the difference though.
If you told your Mom, Spouse, SO, that you wanted an iPad for Christmas, is it possible that they could become confuse by a product that looks like the one you showed them? I realize that that is a fairly loose analogy there but that is the point, not everyone cares who made the product.
So if you get a Galaxy Tab instead of an iPad, don't blame me, blame Samsung. smile.gif

Wrong. If you ask your wife or Mom for an iPad, she will bring home an iPad. The brand distinction is clear. NOBODY, except maybe a technology-resistant senior citizen could get tricked into buying a Samsung Tab instead of an iPad, and even then...my old, stubborn, German grandmother knows who Apple is and would come home with the right gadget.

If you asked your Mom/spouse/GF to bring you home a Galaxy Tab, she might come home with an Acer, Kindle Fire, ASUS Transformer because in the Android world, to the uneducated/uninformed consumer, an Android Tablet is an Android Tablet (especially if you stay within the same screen sizes). Android Tablet branding is vague at this point. They all look about the same, have similar specs and NONE of them look or feel like an iPad.

Apple has one of the strongest and most recognized brands in the world.

To flip your analogy around, if MY wife asked me for an iPad I would try to steer her towards a Galaxy Tab or ASUS Transformer because it is NOT an Apple product. thumb.gif
    
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I'm fairly certain the iPad is the only tablet my mom knows about. There's really no question there, the Apple logo alone is that prominent.
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NO facebook are the good guys smile.gif


They dont troll and prance around like it is a big deal smile.gif hate me as u will!
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