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I'm in kind of the same situation as you, kpriess, and came down to the same choices based on the available info for Ivy Bridge. If this thread (and this post, specifically) is anything to go by:

http://www.overclock.net/t/1220962/vegas-heavyweight-display-and-computer-edition-2012/360_40#post_16915399

You're going to need as much bandwidth (you get the full 40 PCIE lanes on 2011, versus 16 lanes on 1155) and processing power to fuel a proper Surround setup; and in your case, one that involves 120Hz/3D. eek.gif

For what it's worth, I ended up picking out an Asus Rampage IV Formula and will pick up a 2011 CPU soon, since I no longer saw a point to wait for more Ivy Bridge results to come in. Maybe the overclocking and temperature results will change over time with newer revisions or better disparity in various batches, but it still will not change the sheer difference in available bandwidth. Furthermore, if you are looking at a Tri-SLI/Quad-SLI setup, getting a CPU with the extra physical and HT cores will certainly help with SLI scaling as well. thumb.gif
     
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Isn't LUCIDLOGIX VIRTU MVP a tool that boosts your discrete graphics card up to 60% beyond its original performance?

Wouldn't that be better than the PCIe 3.0 40 lanes vs the PCIe 3.0 16 lanes anyway?

I guess I'm very confused as I'm not to bright when it comes to CPU's and always been behind the buying curve. In otherwords has been out on the market for a long time before I purchase. I bought my X58 last year and shortly after Intel announces it's the end of the line for stepping up.

So now I'm tossed between the Z77 board I have while waiting on the i7 3770 release on 23April vs changing my mind and going with the X79 board with an i7 3820 combo.

Back to the OP's main question - Isn't the i7 3930 $600 much more powerful of a GPU than the i7 3770 $300?

For gaming with discreet GPU's whether one or multiple which is better?

Side question on the X79 if one only has six sticks of RAM is it possible? How do those 8 slots get filled, even on both sides in dual or start on one side and leave the other open?

Not trying to jack the OP's thread but stay along the same lines while adding to this thread.
     
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Isn't LUCIDLOGIX VIRTU MVP a tool that boosts your discrete graphics card up to 60% beyond its original performance?
Wouldn't that be better than the PCIe 3.0 40 lanes vs the PCIe 3.0 16 lanes anyway?
I guess I'm very confused as I'm not to bright when it comes to CPU's and always been behind the buying curve. In otherwords has been out on the market for a long time before I purchase. I bought my X58 last year and shortly after Intel announces it's the end of the line for stepping up.
So now I'm tossed between the Z77 board I have while waiting on the i7 3770 release on 23April vs changing my mind and going with the X79 board with an i7 3820 combo.
Back to the OP's main question - Isn't the i7 3930 $600 much more powerful of a GPU than the i7 3770 $300?
For gaming with discreet GPU's whether one or multiple which is better?
Side question on the X79 if one only has six sticks of RAM is it possible? How do those 8 slots get filled, even on both sides in dual or start on one side and leave the other open?
Not trying to jack the OP's thread but stay along the same lines while adding to this thread.

The 3930k is only worth it if you need the extra cores or just like the fact that it's a 6 core over a 4 core... People who buy the x79 chipset aren't into the whole IGP thing...
Gaming, as it is, is hardly using 4 cores, let alone 6 with HT, don't get me wrong... I love my 3930k, never had a cpu this powerful before, was always on a budget and all, but I don't regret going LGA 2011 one bit.
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That's the point, if you could just disable iGPU and have the same performance with the 3770 for ~$600 less [mobo/cpu] then I'm all in for Ivy, but I don't think that's the case.. There IS going to be a bottleneck somewhere f you're doing surround at 120hz...

Another thing is knowing that LGA1155 is dead after this, while 2011 will get Ivy-e, the socket still have a future..
Edited by kpriess - 4/15/12 at 12:37pm
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D stepping...
3980k
good thing I am still waiting
8 core? bigger cache?
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Isn't LUCIDLOGIX VIRTU MVP a tool that boosts your discrete graphics card up to 60% beyond its original performance?
Wouldn't that be better than the PCIe 3.0 40 lanes vs the PCIe 3.0 16 lanes anyway?
I guess I'm very confused as I'm not to bright when it comes to CPU's and always been behind the buying curve. In otherwords has been out on the market for a long time before I purchase. I bought my X58 last year and shortly after Intel announces it's the end of the line for stepping up.
So now I'm tossed between the Z77 board I have while waiting on the i7 3770 release on 23April vs changing my mind and going with the X79 board with an i7 3820 combo.
Back to the OP's main question - Isn't the i7 3930 $600 much more powerful of a GPU than the i7 3770 $300?
For gaming with discreet GPU's whether one or multiple which is better?
Side question on the X79 if one only has six sticks of RAM is it possible? How do those 8 slots get filled, even on both sides in dual or start on one side and leave the other open?
Not trying to jack the OP's thread but stay along the same lines while adding to this thread.

As DMHernandez stated, the IGP is going to be of little value to people already interested in the 6-core CPU's. For those who are transcoding videos, there may be some benefit for using Quick Sync, although it could be argued that you get higher quality content from CPU encoding anyway. However, if the concern is regarding gaming performance, we have yet to see the value of the MVP software. Much of what they are claiming to offer can already be found in some regards with Nvidia's Adaptive VSync in the current 300 series drivers. thumb.gif

In my opinion, the overhead isn't really worth it, and isn't really needed either with such a powerful platform; especially since everyone who is buying into X79 will be using one or more discrete GPU's and doesn't really care all that much about power savings. wink.gif

Regarding the PCIE lanes, the extra bandwidth being offered by the X79 platform will become valuable when utilizing Tri-SLI/Quad-SLI or Tri-Fire/Quad-Fire for Surround/Eyefinity gaming. However, it will also be very useful for those who need the bandwidth to fuel multiple PCIE SSD cards. eek.gif

Performance wise, the 3770 should perform similarly in the majority of applications to the 3930 (just like how current SB CPU's stack up against SB-E). In certain specific applications the 3930 will take over due to the nature of having more cores and higher memory bandwidth. If you compare current SB benchmarks to SB-E benchmarks, you should get a general idea of what kind of performance disparities to expect:

http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/287?vs=552

About single discrete GPU performance, there shouldn't be a large difference. Again, you will not realize the true performance difference until you start to incorporate multiple GPU's for very high resolution gaming. In my opinion, if you are going to use two GPU's at most, stick with SB/IB. If you are using three or four GPU's, then definitely go with SB-E.

For the RAM question, I'm not sure I entirely understand, but if you are trying to take advantage of Quad-channel, you would only need to take four of your sticks and put them into four of the slots (two on one side, two on the other). If you use all six sticks, I think it will downgrade to either Dual or Tri-channel, depending on which slots you use. In that situation, I would suggest to either: 1.) leave those two extra sticks out, 2.) buy two more of the same sticks to populate all eight slots, or 3.) buy all new RAM altogether assuming you are using older 2GB sticks since it is still relatively cheap.

I think the take home message is to realize that 2011 is not necessarily meant as a gaming platform, but is intended to be the high-end that is more suited for applications that require intense CPU processing power. It just so happens to also be very useful for very high-end gaming as well, where multi-monitor setups put a large enough strain to warrant the extra power and bandwidth. Performance wise, you aren't going to see a large difference in games that do not take advantage of the extra cores for a single GPU setup, and therefore, in my opinion, would not be worth the extra premium over SB/IB.
     
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post #17 of 88
Shouldn't the question be 3770K vs the 3820? Same amount of cores, same price range etc...

Is it just because of the 'K' bit you're comparing them?
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For the RAM question, I'm not sure I entirely understand, but if you are trying to take advantage of Quad-channel, you would only need to take four of your sticks and put them into four of the slots (two on one side, two on the other). If you use all six sticks, I think it will downgrade to either Dual or Tri-channel, depending on which slots you use. In that situation, I would suggest to either: 1.) leave those two extra sticks out, 2.) buy two more of the same sticks to populate all eight slots, or 3.) buy all new RAM altogether assuming you are using older 2GB sticks since it is still relatively cheap.
I think the take home message is to realize that 2011 is not necessarily meant as a gaming platform, but is intended to be the high-end that is more suited for applications that require intense CPU processing power. It just so happens to also be very useful for very high-end gaming as well, where multi-monitor setups put a large enough strain to warrant the extra power and bandwidth. Performance wise, you aren't going to see a large difference in games that do not take advantage of the extra cores for a single GPU setup, and therefore, in my opinion, would not be worth the extra premium over SB/IB.

I wouldn't advise that as you really want all 4 sticks to be from the same kit.
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After much thought and fighting myself over the choices, I'm sticking with my guns and pulling the trigger on the i7 3770. If I can get a nice 4.5 GHz OC on the CPU I'll be more than happy. Fully native PCIe 3.0 compliant board/CPU/GPU.

Take advantage of last 1155 chip line with Z77 board I've got sitting on my desk. It will be the last CPU upgrade for three years and I think I'll be good.

Next year (March 2013) my work bonus I'll be upgrading to a 512 GB SSD. Hopefully by then pricing has come down or at the very least I can pick up a larger capacity SSD for the same amount of money.
     
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After much thought and fighting myself over the choices, I'm sticking with my guns and pulling the trigger on the i7 3770. If I can get a nice 4.5 GHz OC on the CPU I'll be more than happy. Fully native PCIe 3.0 compliant board/CPU/GPU.
Take advantage of last 1155 chip line with Z77 board I've got sitting on my desk. It will be the last CPU upgrade for three years and I think I'll be good.
Next year (March 2013) my work bonus I'll be upgrading to a 512 GB SSD. Hopefully by then pricing has come down or at the very least I can pick up a larger capacity SSD for the same amount of money.

Pardon my ignorance but what is the difference between the PCI-e 3.0 on LGA 2011 and the so-called "fully native" PCI-e 3.0 on the new IB platform? Furthermore, what year do you think it will be before the extra bandwidth delivered by PCI-e 3.0 can actually be used by a GFX card.
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