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Wow, so many posts anti corsair. I'm not a fanboy, I have a h80 but am currently looking at air coolers and not seeing any advantage to spend another 50 to 100 dollars to drop a degree. So many negative comments and posts about corsair coolers it makes me think someones getting paid to endorse d14s and SAs. The adivice I keep seeing on here is almost anger like on anything thats not air or "real" water cooling, except the one that said the CM water cooler is gonna blow away the H100. I would just like to see some unbiased non angry opinions on why air is so much better than these "fake" clc's.
I've had a h50 for 2 years in 3 machines and an H80 in this one for the past year. No leaks and it cools my 4.0g 1090t 28c idle at 22c ambient
It would just be nice to not see so many "fanboys" or haters give their (bashing) for recomendations for a 1 to 2 degree difference on a cooler. If that 1 degree is stopping you from hitting 5.0g on your athlon x2, you should be looking for somthing far beyond a 100 buck clc or air cooler.
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Wow, so many posts anti corsair. I'm not a fanboy, I have a h80 but am currently looking at air coolers and not seeing any advantage to spend another 50 to 100 dollars to drop a degree. So many negative comments and posts about corsair coolers it makes me think someones getting paid to endorse d14s and SAs. The adivice I keep seeing on here is almost anger like on anything thats not air or "real" water cooling, except the one that said the CM water cooler is gonna blow away the H100. I would just like to see some unbiased non angry opinions on why air is so much better than these "fake" clc's.
I've had a h50 for 2 years in 3 machines and an H80 in this one for the past year. No leaks and it cools my 4.0g 1090t 28c idle at 22c ambient
It would just be nice to not see so many "fanboys" or haters give their (bashing) for recomendations for a 1 to 2 degree difference on a cooler. If that 1 degree is stopping you from hitting 5.0g on your athlon x2, you should be looking for somthing far beyond a 100 buck clc or air cooler.

First, its not angry. Just true facts. The 1090T dont even get hot. try it with Intel, and repost what you said.
I use the Hyper 212 in P/P, and max is 32c at peak load. Idle 22c. Average usage is 26c.
its not hating on Corsair, they dont even make the coolers. Its made by Coolit (H80/H100) H70/H50 by Asetek.

With the mention of the CM Eisberg, its a AIO style like the H100, with the benefits of a custom watercooling loop. Like the XSPC Rasa kits or Swiftech X20.

No ones being paid here or bashing at all. The D14 has proven that it can compete and cool, better than most of these coolers.
1c is not the issue here, talking about 3-5c difference at times.

Due to the smaller size pumps and higher temps, it does have a harder time keeping temps lower.
I have tested many variations from the H50/H70/H80 from Coolit and Asetek and saw very little benefits compared to air cooling is the close price range or lower to them.
    
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Exactly, we aren't bashing on the psuedo WC. It just that they don't bring any real benefits compared to high end air cooling. The point of water cooling is to be quieter and perform better than air cooling, and those "Corsair" coolers have neither of those over high end air cooling. Plus there is more hassle in installation and maintenance.

Don't forget that water cooling still requires fans!

I'm trying to see if I can get the lowest temp on a 4.5ghz OC for a 2500k with air cooling. If all goes well, I should beat legit WC. biggrin.gif
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post #34 of 44
The CLC objective test data is posted in numerous threads here. We go thru the same acrimonious debates every time because some people refuse to accept the objective test data showing that Closed Loop Coolers compared to highend HSFs are:

1. Thermally inefficient

2. A poor value cost wise

3. Noisy

4. They have a real world leak liability that can damage hundreds of dollars in PC hardware

For most PC users a CLC is a poor choice compared to a highend HSF but I always recommend that People Buy What Makes Them Happy

People should read another OCN thread on the subject from just a couple days ago. Trust me nothing has changed on CLCs in the past day... wink.gif

http://www.overclock.net/t/1242753/overclocking-my-8120-need-cooling-advice
post #35 of 44
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First, its not angry. Just true facts. The 1090T dont even get hot. try it with Intel, and repost what you said.
I use the Hyper 212 in P/P, and max is 32c at peak load. Idle 22c. Average usage is 26c.
its not hating on Corsair, they dont even make the coolers. Its made by Coolit (H80/H100) H70/H50 by Asetek.
With the mention of the CM Eisberg, its a AIO style like the H100, with the benefits of a custom watercooling loop. Like the XSPC Rasa kits or Swiftech X20.
No ones being paid here or bashing at all. The D14 has proven that it can compete and cool, better than most of these coolers.
1c is not the issue here, talking about 3-5c difference at times.
Due to the smaller size pumps and higher temps, it does have a harder time keeping temps lower.
I have tested many variations from the H50/H70/H80 from Coolit and Asetek and saw very little benefits compared to air cooling is the close price range or lower to them.

What fans are you running P/P on your 212? I have one in a spare parts computer I could switch over to this one if I got the same or better temps as the h80.
I switched from the 212+ to an h50 and saw a 3c drop and a 4c drop switching to the h80, but I've always been on stock fans.
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post #36 of 44
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What fans are you running P/P on your 212? I have one in a spare parts computer I could switch over to this one if I got the same or better temps as the h80.
I switched from the 212+ to an h50 and saw a 3c drop and a 4c drop switching to the h80, but I've always been on stock fans.

A 212+ is a mid-range HSF. The only currently available CLC that can equal a highend HSF is the H100 and it has all of the deficiencies sited above.

http://www.anandtech.com/print/5054

http://www.frostytech.com/articleview.cfm?articleid=2572&page=4


BTW, 1-2C is not going to change if you can run 5.0 GHz. or not it might just determine if the CPU runs at 55C or 53C max load.

Objective scientific test data is used to determine technical merit without the emotion. There is no upside for most PC users to paying more for a CLC that is thermally inefficient and noisy - let alone a cooler with a serious water-leak liability.

But if CLCs make you happy in spite of their deficiencies - then that is what you should buy and use. No one is stopping anyone from using a CLC. People here are sharing accurate technical data so that members can make a technically informed buying decision based on the criteria that most enthusiasts use when buying a cooler.
Edited by AMD4ME - 4/16/12 at 7:30pm
post #37 of 44
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A 212+ is a mid-range HSF. The only currently available CLC that can equal a highend HSF is the H100 and it has all of the deficiencies sited above.
http://www.anandtech.com/print/5054
http://www.frostytech.com/articleview.cfm?articleid=2572&page=4
BTW, 1-2C is not going to change if you can run 5.0 GHz. or not it might just determine if the CPU runs at 55C or 53C max load.
Objective scientific test data is used to determine technical merit without the emotion. There is no upside for most PC users to paying more for a CLC that is thermally inefficient and noisy - let alone a cooler with a serious water-leak liability.
But if CLCs make you happy in spite of their deficiencies - then that is what you should buy and use. No one is stopping anyone from using a CLC. People here are sharing accurate technical data so that members can make a technically informed buhttp://www.anandtech.com/print/5054
ying decision based on the criteria that most enthusiasts use when buying a cooler.

http://www.anandtech.com/print/5054
that link is whats showing me even the h80 is within 1 to 2 degrees of air unless the technical data of reading charts and graphs in school has changed in the last 20 years. Not trying to be argumentative, I'm just looking for a valid reason that my h80 is worth replacing.
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post #38 of 44
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http://www.anandtech.com/print/5054
that link is whats showing me even the h80 is within 1 to 2 degrees of air unless the technical data of reading charts and graphs in school has changed in the last 20 years. Not trying to be argumentative, I'm just looking for a valid reason that my h80 is worth replacing.

I'll answer for him.

Now scroll down a bit more and look at the last chart. For the same amount of noise, the Silver Arrow cools a lot better than the H80.
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What fans are you running P/P on your 212? I have one in a spare parts computer I could switch over to this one if I got the same or better temps as the h80.
I switched from the 212+ to an h50 and saw a 3c drop and a 4c drop switching to the h80, but I've always been on stock fans.

I'm using Bitfenix Spectre Pro White LED on the 212.
With the amount of airflow within my case, cooling is not an issue.
    
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http://www.anandtech.com/print/5054
that link is whats showing me even the h80 is within 1 to 2 degrees of air unless the technical data of reading charts and graphs in school has changed in the last 20 years. Not trying to be argumentative, I'm just looking for a valid reason that my h80 is worth replacing.

It's not a matter of being anti-Corsair/Antec/CLCs. The point is your H80 was not worth buying when for less money you could have bought a highend HSF that is thermally more efficient, quieter and never leaks water.

It isn't that we are against people buying CLCs, we are pointing out that for most people a CLC does not have any technical merit (upside), that would justify paying more and getting less plus the leak liability you never have with a HSF.

By presenting objective scientific test data, people can make an informed buying decision and they won't get frustrating surprises when their H-series cooler runs hotter than a highend HSF.
Edited by AMD4ME - 4/16/12 at 9:10pm
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