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Well as much as I dont like the look of bulldozer if it was about $140 I would definatley pick up the 8120, at that price performance you could not beat it. But at the $190 price tag it is atm, it is just awfull especially when you could pick up the 2500k for just a little bit more.

At $140, I would have picked up an 8120, rather than a Thuban at a similar price point. But it runs around $200 here, and at that price, it's a non-starter. If AMD wants to sell more Bulldozers ahead of the Piledriver release, they need to lower prices. They probably just plan on keeping them high and then put the last BD's on fire-sale prices once Piledriver is out there, or at least when Trinity arrives, if it spanks Bulldozer.
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So just because you have a particular view does not mean everybody shares it . So I hope Intel is paying you well for your marketing !
Truth hurtz. rolleyes.gif

No, I think he made himself quite clear. He can't get a cheap 2500K where he is, and even if he could, it really wouldn't be "cheap" for him because he'd have to buy an entirely new motherboard to stick it in. So for him, a 2500K wouldn't be either cost-effective or a better performer; in fact, it would be unable to perform at all because it's unusable in his motherboard.

Look, we all know how good Sandy Bridge is. But some of the people are on here asking questions about Bulldozer because SB is just not a viable option for them.
     
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No, I think he made himself quite clear. He can't get a cheap 2500K where he is, and even if he could, it really wouldn't be "cheap" for him because he'd have to buy an entirely new motherboard to stick it in. So for him, a 2500K wouldn't be either cost-effective or a better performer; in fact, it would be unable to perform at all because it's unusable in his motherboard.

Look, we all know how good Sandy Bridge is. But some of the people are on here asking questions about Bulldozer because SB is just not a viable option for them.
I could not have phrased this better myself .
Some people just do not get it !
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The information I was after was to find out ( if possible ) whether AMD was going to do a new stepping of BD and put out an 8170 .
I am trying to work out what is the best available CPU - FOR MY BOARD (a Gigabyte GA-990FXA-UD3) .
At present it appears that overpriced as it is the best AVAILABLE CPU for my board , is going to be a Bulldozer of some kind , unless a good used Thuban shows up at a non ripoff price .
And I can not count on Piledriver working on my board until I actually see a bios update for my board supporting it .
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The only negative reviews I see about the FX 8150 are from either Intel fan boys or people that don't even own the processor. Never mind that the processor holds the world record for the highest clock speeds. Never mind that it's multitasking ability is far superior to ANY 4 core Intel chip. You cannot buy an Intel chip for under $200 that can perform as well as the FX-8150. People saying that an i5-2500k is better and faster than this processor are extremely ignorant. Static benchmarks performed on a Windows OS that does not fully support this processor?

For the Linux people there is no reason NOT to buy the FX 8150. Compile your kernel for this chip and your computer will run circles around an i7/2600k when it comes to video encoding or anything else. On the Windows side the processor functions quite well. With my 2gb GTX 560 ti, there is no game this setup can't handle.

Multitasking? Try running 4 VMs and playing a game at the same time with an i7-2600. Not gonna happen let alone the weaker i5. I can host win 7 64 and play MW3, BF3, SRTT while a Linux VM is encoding video, a second Win Vista VM is monitoring a wireless personal weather station and uploading date, a 3rd Linux VM is copying larger chunks of data to an external drive, and a Win XP VM running to stream Directv to another monitor.

Bottom line..Computers have been fast for years. I UPGRADED from an i7 because it couldn't do too much at one time. I was prepared to spend a lot of money to build a 6 core Intel box for my needs but figured I'd try the FX 8150 build and if it sucked, I could Ebay it real quick and spend the money on the Intel. I was pleasantly surprised at how well this rig works. If this is the worst of what to expect from a true 8 core processor from AMD, I can't wait for the next generation chip to throw into this AM3+ MB. thumb.gif
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The only negative reviews I see about the FX 8150 are from either Intel fan boys or people that don't even own the processor. Never mind that the processor holds the world record for the highest clock speeds. Never mind that it's multitasking ability is far superior to ANY 4 core Intel chip. You cannot buy an Intel chip for under $200 that can perform as well as the FX-8150. People saying that an i5-2500k is better and faster than this processor are extremely ignorant. Static benchmarks performed on a Windows OS that does not fully support this processor?
For the Linux people there is no reason NOT to buy the FX 8150. Compile your kernel for this chip and your computer will run circles around an i7/2600k when it comes to video encoding or anything else. On the Windows side the processor functions quite well. With my 2gb GTX 560 ti, there is no game this setup can't handle.
Multitasking? Try running 4 VMs and playing a game at the same time with an i7-2600. Not gonna happen let alone the weaker i5. I can host win 7 64 and play MW3, BF3, SRTT while a Linux VM is encoding video, a second Win Vista VM is monitoring a wireless personal weather station and uploading date, a 3rd Linux VM is copying larger chunks of data to an external drive, and a Win XP VM running to stream Directv to another monitor.
Bottom line..Computers have been fast for years. I UPGRADED from an i7 because it couldn't do too much at one time. I was prepared to spend a lot of money to build a 6 core Intel box for my needs but figured I'd try the FX 8150 build and if it sucked, I could Ebay it real quick and spend the money on the Intel. I was pleasantly surprised at how well this rig works. If this is the worst of what to expect from a true 8 core processor from AMD, I can't wait for the next generation chip to throw into this AM3+ MB. thumb.gif


Your opinion seems to follow the trend from others.

The chip benchmarks slower but feels faster. I am definitely going to give Piledriver a shot thumb.gif
   
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hmmm spend $200 on a BD that overclocks to 4.8Ghz and beats a 2500k in alot of benches.... or spend $500+ on all new gear..... hmmm not to mention that intel changes their socket so offen that when you want to upgrade you have to buy a new mobo too.... if money isnt an option and you like throwing it away then I guess go for intel.... lol I dont care about power comsumption all, plug it in and it works biggrin.gif for those who use that as a major arguement then turn some lights off wile your gaming and your good lol thumb.gif
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8170 is counter productive with Piledriver around the corner. /thread
    
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Where I am right now can buy a boxed AMD PHENOM II X6 1045T for $126 CAD. The FX-8150 is $200 CAD.

I just love the chip. Of course, I'm using it all wrong. I'm running several VM's which do automated work. I don't play games. It's been a god sent. I have Intel chips that do the same thing, old Xeons, some more recent chips, one 2600K, with no VT-d). It's not comparable. The FX-8150 runs circles around the other computers. It's like a heavy loader against a pickup.

I also think that people think cpu price only. But what about chipset price? Intel motherboards are a lot more expensive than AMD. The top of the line AMD 990FX motherboard is what? $225? Intel motherboards of similar calibre start at $300. Look at Sabertooth 990fx, it's $190, has 6 sata III, with all 6 in raid capability. Sabertooth X79 is $350, has 4 sata III, only 2 in raid. Come on!

If you want a gaming rig, go with Intel. If you want a general use computer, cheap, go with an AMD APU. I've heard comments that say they are a lot snappier than Intel, from builders who don't care, they sell the systems but don't use them. In fact, they like to push Intel, higher commissions. But AMD cpu's are not for gaming. Not at this time.

If you want a server like computer, or a linux box, but can't afford the 10 000 plus price point of modern rackmounts, go with the FX. I think a quad opteron cpu with 256GB system (aka Dell R815) costs more than 20 000 dollars. But you can get a FX-8150 with 32 GB of ram for about 1000 dollars. Of course, depends on other factors also.

All and all, do your homework, look at your needs, then decide. If I liked gaming, I would not be buying an AMD cpu. It seems these days, all people do is play games. So why is there a computer on every office desk? I guess that's why the economy is so bad?
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So you are willing to pay $250+ for a bad chip instead of $200 for the 2500k which will run circles round any BD.

I will just e this guy but I thought the thread was to find out what happened to the latest line in the BD series. Some are actually interested in what happened. We all know that BD series is nothing compared to the newer intel but some of us choose to go cheaper based on our budgets. As a gamer I dont notice any difference in performance on my buddies i5 2500k versus mine. What i do notice is the gpu performance scale. Next new build is intel for sure but for now as a on a budget gamer I stick with amd
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^^^ I agree. No idea why FX-8170 is up on wikipedia as current, but can't be found on newegg or anywhere else. Piledrivers are coming when? October? And who know if they will really be better. 10% increase in performance per core seem like the increase from FX-8150 to FX-8170.

I hope piledriver doesn't turn into a pipe dream.
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