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Here's the deal, all of those TV choices are in fact only 60Hz Tv's that "overclock" the 60Hz panel to imitate a 120Hz look and feel. What you're primarily looking for in terms of a PC monitor is response time, anything 3ms and under should be perfect. Samsung d5000 is around 8ms so, no go there. the LG panels are around 3ms so worth considering, sony... not too sure but their panels are made by Sharp in any event.

In this instance the eh5000 would be my choice, as it has a response time of around 2.1ms. If you're concerned about motion blur, here's a quick run down: Refresh rate (60Hz, 120Hz, 240Hz), the higher this number is the less judder you will experience, contrary to popular belief refresh rate has nothing to do with motion blur. to combat motion blur you need the quickest response time possible (1ms, 2ms, 3ms etc) - Basically response time is the speed at which a pixel can light up and switch off, so the quicker this happens, the less motion blur you experience.

If you really want the best Panel as a monitor though I would suggest you wait for the LG 32LM6200 - 3ms response time, 120Hz (the real thing) and its a 3D TV which is just a bonus really.

And one more thing - if you're using any of these TV's as a monitor you have to set which ever HDMI port you use on the TV as a PC primary connection. this can be done through the TV's menu system. Each TV has a different menu UI but all you would need to do is find the Source list and then hover over to the HDMI port your PC is plugged into and then rename the input to "PC" - this will solve any pixelation text issues you may find, no need to increase your text size to 125%;-)

hope this helps!
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720p at arms length? No thanks. You could get a much better monitor for that price.

I use a 55" HX929 (Voted Best LED of 2011), which cost me about 3 grand at the time, and I still sit about 7-8 feet away. I can't recommend using a TV as a monitor until you get into 4 digit numbers and then some. Trust me, i've tried many TVs and this is the first one I prefer as a monitor... and it cost me an arm and a leg. I actually sold my 30" 2560x1600 and started using this TV full time. Most of the newer/high end TVs have modes for monitor use, which get rid of many of the annoyances you will see with cheaper TVs.

If your budget is $500-800, get a very nice monitor. I won't consider using a TV as a monitor until your in the $2000+ range, and even then, it comes down to preference.
Edited by Murlocke - 4/16/12 at 4:33am
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Here's the deal, all of those TV choices are in fact only 60Hz Tv's that "overclock" the 60Hz panel to imitate a 120Hz look and feel. What you're primarily looking for in terms of a PC monitor is response time, anything 3ms and under should be perfect. Samsung d5000 is around 8ms so, no go there. the LG panels are around 3ms so worth considering, sony... not too sure but their panels are made by Sharp in any event.
In this instance the eh5000 would be my choice, as it has a response time of around 2.1ms. If you're concerned about motion blur, here's a quick run down: Refresh rate (60Hz, 120Hz, 240Hz), the higher this number is the less judder you will experience, contrary to popular belief refresh rate has nothing to do with motion blur. to combat motion blur you need the quickest response time possible (1ms, 2ms, 3ms etc) - Basically response time is the speed at which a pixel can light up and switch off, so the quicker this happens, the less motion blur you experience.
If you really want the best Panel as a monitor though I would suggest you wait for the LG 32LM6200 - 3ms response time, 120Hz (the real thing) and its a 3D TV which is just a bonus really.
And one more thing - if you're using any of these TV's as a monitor you have to set which ever HDMI port you use on the TV as a PC primary connection. this can be done through the TV's menu system. Each TV has a different menu UI but all you would need to do is find the Source list and then hover over to the HDMI port your PC is plugged into and then rename the input to "PC" - this will solve any pixelation text issues you may find, no need to increase your text size to 125%;-)
hope this helps!

Thanks for all of the input, where did you find the 2.1ms refresh time specification from the EH5000 ?
I might also consider the LG 32LM6200 but there is no word when it will be locally available but it should be very soon as they are trying to get rid of the LV3500 series, so this LG also has a real 120Hz? I might need an GTX580 in SLI for heavier games to keep 120fps, but image quality wise the EH5000 and the LM6200 shouldnt be that far off?
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720p at arms length? No thanks. You could get a much better monitor for that price.
I use a 55" HX929 (Voted Best LED of 2011), which cost me about 3 grand at the time, and I still sit about 7-8 feet away. I can't recommend using a TV as a monitor until you get into 4 digit numbers and then some. Trust me, i've tried many TVs and this is the first one I prefer as a monitor... and it cost me an arm and a leg. I actually sold my 30" 2560x1600 and started using this TV full time. Most of the newer/high end TVs have modes for monitor use, which get rid of many of the annoyances you will see with cheaper TVs.
If your budget is $500-800, get a very nice monitor. I won't consider using a TV as a monitor until your in the $2000+ range, and even then, it comes down to preference.

1080p at arms length, the problem in where I live is that we dont have any decent monitors.. none of those Dell U2410, the best we have is either an Apple monitor which costs twice as much as the TV or the LG eIPS 236V and the incoming LG IP4S.

But I mainly want the TV for the big screen!
Edited by EarlZ - 4/16/12 at 5:39am
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I have a Panasonic 32" with an IPS and it's perfect for viewing.There is a slight lag in FPS gaming(somewhat like a normal 5-8ms panel),but the picture and extreme viewing angles are worth it to me since I'm not a huge gamer.The response time is the thing that's gonna get you if you plan on hardcore gaming.
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Thanks for all of the input, where did you find the 2.1ms refresh time specification from the EH5000 ?
I might also consider the LG 32LM6200 but there is no word when it will be locally available but it should be very soon as they are trying to get rid of the LV3500 series, so this LG also has a real 120Hz? I might need an GTX580 in SLI for heavier games to keep 120fps, but image quality wise the EH5000 and the LM6200 shouldnt be that far off?

No problem, I work in the industry so have some background on the models before they come out. Samsung no longer publishes much of their specifications for some reason, it's quite annoying, even I had a hard time getting those numbers - LG has still proven to be the most honest with their numbers by the way. Yeah the LG has proper 120Hz but don't stress about a new graphics card too much, all the TV does in 120Hz is duplicate any image in the frame immediately after that image frame has displayed which basically causes the picture to appear smoother in wide angle and camera panning scenes, for gaming and what not its not too much of a concern. You would set your Display settings to 60Hz on your PC anyway and the TV would do the rest. I've used my GTX560 on my 2.4ms, 120Hz TV and its brilliant, I haven't had any issues.

If you're looking for a solution soon then I would say that the EH5000 is the way to go, the Lg will probably only be available in your region around the end of May 2012. Also, the EH5000 super efficient, it uses only 33Watts when turned on... the only thing I have against it is the look of it, its really thick for an LED, but that's no biggie. overall its a good panel.
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There is no such thing as a TV allowing a 120 Hz input. It will never happen. Also, there are only a handful of TVs that do not downsample the input signal to 4:2:2, so reading any colored text on the internet will be a horrid experience. In the beginning of HDTV it looked somewhat promising that computer use and TV use would meld together, but it's since drifted far apart...and on purpose. They want to make everything difficult, to discourage people from trying it, and to encourage people to buy a box for every specific purpose.
 
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I have a Panasonic 32" with an IPS and it's perfect for viewing.There is a slight lag in FPS gaming(somewhat like a normal 5-8ms panel),but the picture and extreme viewing angles are worth it to me since I'm not a huge gamer.The response time is the thing that's gonna get you if you plan on hardcore gaming.

I only play FPS games in a single player environment, its not really my type of game to play competitively but I do enjoy the casual multi-player for it, Im more into RPG/RTS so Im guessing the input latency wont be too much of an issue.
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No problem, I work in the industry so have some background on the models before they come out. Samsung no longer publishes much of their specifications for some reason, it's quite annoying, even I had a hard time getting those numbers - LG has still proven to be the most honest with their numbers by the way. Yeah the LG has proper 120Hz but don't stress about a new graphics card too much, all the TV does in 120Hz is duplicate any image in the frame immediately after that image frame has displayed which basically causes the picture to appear smoother in wide angle and camera panning scenes, for gaming and what not its not too much of a concern. You would set your Display settings to 60Hz on your PC anyway and the TV would do the rest. I've used my GTX560 on my 2.4ms, 120Hz TV and its brilliant, I haven't had any issues.
If you're looking for a solution soon then I would say that the EH5000 is the way to go, the Lg will probably only be available in your region around the end of May 2012. Also, the EH5000 super efficient, it uses only 33Watts when turned on... the only thing I have against it is the look of it, its really thick for an LED, but that's no biggie. overall its a good panel.

I'm looking forward to the EH5000 series and the price is quite great $738 for the 40" model, stocks for the 32" is yet to arrive.. most of the 40" models we have here costs between $950~1150. This is probably the cheapest 40" model around.. hopefully the 32" is be very cheap!

I cant find any web info pertaining to the EH5000 on why it is thicker, it does reduce the sexy points of the TV for being as thick as a regular LCD, all the sales rep told me is that samsung moved the back light directly behind the panel instead of it being at the edges.. and its also about 2kg's lighter.

Also does the EH5000 have a specific PC mode ?
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I only play FPS games in a single player environment, its not really my type of game to play competitively but I do enjoy the casual multi-player for it, Im more into RPG/RTS so Im guessing the input latency wont be too much of an issue.
I'm looking forward to the EH5000 series and the price is quite great $738 for the 40" model, stocks for the 32" is yet to arrive.. most of the 40" models we have here costs between $950~1150. This is probably the cheapest 40" model around.. hopefully the 32" is be very cheap!
I cant find any web info pertaining to the EH5000 on why it is thicker, it does reduce the sexy points of the TV for being as thick as a regular LCD, all the sales rep told me is that samsung moved the back light directly behind the panel instead of it being at the edges.. and its also about 2kg's lighter.
Also does the EH5000 have a specific PC mode ?

You should be fine with FPS games as well hey. also, the 32EH5000 version should be quite cheap. The main reason they manufactured the TV that way is because of the lower cost to manufacture it like that thereby making it more "valuable" to the end user. It's perfectly safe though, no inferior components or anything just easier to manufacture in that frame.

I'm not sure how well Samsung's reps are being trained nowadays but all the 5 series models are still edge lit. edge lit LED's generally use around 800 LED light sources and backlit LED's use around 2000 LED light sources, this brings the cost up by nearly double in some instances. So it's still edge lit but that's still brilliant, the only real difference would be brightness and contrast that the average human eye wouldn't perceive anyway. So still a brilliant TV all round, just sad to see that Samsung is marketing so irresponsibly...

About the PC mode, yes the Samsung does have a PC mode for the HDMI inputs, you can also specify if the source of the HDMI has been converted from DVI. If using DVI you won't be able to put sound through to the TV. Using HDMI from your graphics card will enable sound.

Hope this helps;-)
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