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Just wanted to point out as others have said, (almost ? ) all processors can handle 24/7 operation, I've seen this with every single processor I've used personally. newer Xeon chips have support for ECC and must be used in a multiprocessor system. i7's do not have the necessary pathways to communicate with another CPU.

They don't have to be run in multi-processor systems. They CAN be. ECC is also not dependent on multiple physical processors

woops I worded that wrong - I was trying to say that multiple i7's cannot be used in a multiprocessor setup - hence a reason for the Xeon

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post #12 of 19
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Thank you all for your posts and discussions.

Since everyone doesn't agree with what's said this post:

http://superuser.com/questions/122914/what-is-the-difference-between-an-intel-i7-and-a-xeon-quad-core-processor

I would really appreciate it if someone told me why my Dual Core processor died after 3 years (I used it from 2005 to 2008. It even reached a state where running 720p videos failed and lagged all the time), and why my Q9650 processor died now after 2.5 years of usage, where it also fails in high processing stuff, and lags a lot.

On my Dual Core I used the stock cooler. On my Q9650 I used Asus Silent Knight 2 as a cooler. I overclocked my Q9650 once, and I then I found it not worth it and turned it back. That was when I first bought it. So both have been running in the standard mode.

Explanation?
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What makes you so sure it was the cpus that died? Cpus are generally among the least likely parts of a pc to fail....
 
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Because once I changed the CPU, everything went back to magically fine.
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Because once I changed the CPU, everything went back to magically fine.

could just be that voltage settings were off / the system wasn't stable. Doesn't mean the CPU died. I find it extremely hard to actually destroy a cpu with little to no overclocking. Even at high voltages CPUs can take years to degrade. Plus you could have just RMA'ed with the manufacturer.

Also the reason Xeon chips are used in servers is not because of reliability. It is because they can be used in multiprocessor setups, they usually have a lower TDP, support ECC RAM and some support specific instruction sets that wouldn't be used in a desktop system.
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post #16 of 19
I'd definately recommend Xeon's over I7s for 24/7 use. Mine i've kept on for good 6 months now, with random reboots now and then and its stable as you can get. As other users have said, its not as snappy as a i7 but stability wise, very superior. Plus using ECC ram gives that extra mind at ease knowing errors will be corrected on the fly.
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I'd definately recommend Xeon's over I7s for 24/7 use. Mine i've kept on for good 6 months now, with random reboots now and then and its stable as you can get. As other users have said, its not as snappy as a i7 but stability wise, very superior. Plus using ECC ram gives that extra mind at ease knowing errors will be corrected on the fly.

6 months isn't much of a sample size, and random reboots, while normally not an issue, doesn't bode well for the Xeon stable-as-a-rock theory. Not saying Xeon's are bad, hell no. Just unless they are put on critical loads for months or years at a time, no differences will show up. Xeons have features that businesses would need. Not really a matter of longevity.

I have a Q6600 running nonstop except for upgrades since mid 2007 running in a NAS right now. It was in my editing, rendering, and gaming rig up until june 2011 when I moved to a 2600k. And I have a P4 machine from 2003, still running on the original motherboard. Those are my sample sizes.

So I'd say if someone is saying normal desktop processors aren't good for 24/7 use they just had a bad experience. They won't last 20 years I'm sure, but if your chip did fail after 2.5 years it was just a dud or something else killed it.
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The difference is that Intel guarantees the Xeons for 24/7 use. An i7 will run 24/7, but I doubt they go through the same level of testing a Xeon does. ECC is also important in a system running 24/7.

Do Xeons also not have some kind of their own ECC internally?
 
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I don't think so. I'm not sure how different the Romely-EP Xeons are from the SB-E procs outside of core count, QPI count, ECC and LRDIMM support, and cache size. Historically, Xeons had exclusive access to stuff like trusted execution tech and weird stuff like that but I don't know how that plays out these days.

I am under the impression that Xeons are binned higher than SB-E CPUs, but we all know how impossible that is to prove. It would make sense, though, given the potentially mission-critical deployments that Xeons are used in.
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