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Well actually the build he posted is more expensive but the one I made is much better and cheaper. So why wouldn't I recommend something that's better it isn't that the entire point? How can you not upgrade on this build?

I was mostly talking about the people recommending him more expensive GPUs. Also, your build compared to his is just potato/potato...about the same or less performance and a $50 price difference. So what was the point of listing all those parts? Think about it
The point is it'sa muxh better build, look up benchmarks if you want, and its $50 cheaper when you siad it was more expensive. Still didn't answer any of my questions. How can't you upgrade this build and why shouldn't I recommend somehting that's better?

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post #22 of 66
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The point is it'sa muxh better build, look up benchmarks if you want, and its $50 cheaper when you siad it was more expensive. Still didn't answer any of my questions. How can't you upgrade this build and why shouldn't I recommend somehting that's better?
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Once again, when I said more expensive I was referring to people recommending more expensive GPUs. Do I really have to repeat myself? Anyways, all you did was choose cheaper parts in order to beef up his GPU, and explained them by saying 'better than the one you listed', when in reality there is nothing wrong with his listed build, and in fact...a lot of the parts he has listed are of better quality if more expensive.
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Once again, when I said more expensive I was referring to people recommending more expensive GPUs. Do I really have to repeat myself? Anyways, all you did was choose cheaper parts in order to beef up his GPU, and explained them by saying 'better than the one you listed', when in reality there is nothing wrong with his listed build, and in fact...a lot of the parts he has listed are of better quality if more expensive.

lol so is a dell computer better quality than a custom computer because it is more expensive?

Flawed logic.
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lol so is a dell computer better quality than a custom computer because it is more expensive?
Flawed logic.

Flawed logic? Read what I said in context. "a lot of the parts he has listed are of better quality if more expensive."

Emphasis on the word 'if'. Meaning: the parts he listed are of better quality, although they are more expensive than the other parts recommended.

Not meaning: If they're more expensive, they are better quality. If I had meant that, I would have worded it exactly that way.

Was that so hard to understand?
Edited by Lost Prophet - 4/16/12 at 2:12pm
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Flawed logic? Read what I said in context. "a lot of the parts he has listed are of better quality if more expensive."
Emphasis on the word 'if'. Meaning: the parts he listed are of better quality, although they are more expensive than the other parts recommended.
Was that so hard to understand?

Explain how they are better then.
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Explain how they are better then.

OK I'll break it down for you since I realize you actually don't know.

His PSU: Corsair TX750

Your PSU: Rosewill 750w

Corsair TX750 is the same price, has quieter fans, superior cabling, warranty, and construction.

His RAM: Corsair Vengeance 8GB

Your RAM: G Skill Ares 8GB

Again, superior Corsair warranty, better overclocking experience overall

His HDD: WD Caviar Black 1TB

Your HDD: WD Caviar Blue 1TB

Do I even need to say anything on this one? The Black is faster and all around a better choice when buying a fresh hard drive.

Again the price differences aren't very substantial so the stuff he already picked out will be totally fine. Theres no need to cut corners to sacrifice quality in the long run
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OK I'll break it down for you since I realize you actually don't know.
His PSU: Corsair TX750
Your PSU: Rosewill 750w
Corsair TX750 is the same price, has quieter fans, superior cabling, warranty, and construction.
His RAM: Corsair Vengeance 8GB
Your RAM: G Skill Ares 8GB
Again, superior Corsair warranty, better overclocking experience overall
His HDD: WD Caviar Black 1TB
Your HDD: WD Caviar Blue 1TB
Do I even need to say anything on this one? The Black is faster and all around a better choice when buying a fresh hard drive.
Again the price differences aren't very substantial so the stuff he already picked out will be totally fine. Theres no need to cut corners to sacrifice quality in the long run

I don't think you know anything about the psu I listed. It's 80+ gold vs the corsairs 80+ which is far more reliable. the fan on the Rosewill also has a silent fan where the corsairs does not. They both are not modular. they literally have the same construction as most psus do.

They overclock the same. The corsair has a limited lifetime warranty which is better but it's $10 more when the price per GB is about $5 it's not really worth it.

I've said it before and I'll say it again you don't need a black it's $20 more and you get 2yrs warranty more, by that time HDDs will be much cheaper. The only HDD that's ever broke on me was my caviar black 500gb where both my caviar blues have been fine; they aren't faster they are both 7200 RPM and the blue is 6gb per sec vs the blacks 3gb per sec.

I would actually research things before you say them. If something is cheaper and has the same performance it's better. also, you still havent answered how this isn't upgradeable.
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I don't think you know anything about the psu I listed. It's 80+ gold vs the corsairs 80+ which is far more reliable. the fan on the Rosewill also has a silent fan where the corsairs does not. They both are not modular. they literally have the same construction as most psus do.
They overclock the same. The corsair has a limited lifetime warranty which is better but it's $10 more when the price per GB is about $5 it's not really worth it.
I've said it before and I'll say it again you don't need a black it's $20 more and you get 2yrs warranty more, by that time HDDs will be much cheaper. The only HDD that's ever broke on me was my caviar black 500gb where both my caviar blues have been fine; they aren't faster they are both 7200 RPM and the blue is 6gb per sec vs the blacks 3gb per sec.
I would actually research things before you say them. If something is cheaper and has the same performance it's better. also, you still havent answered how this isn't upgradeable.

Its 80 Plus Gold vs 80 Plus Bronze. You're talking about a max of 5-7% difference in efficiency, and both are well over 80% so that difference is pretty irrelevant. The Corsair psu does have a 'silent' fan as well. I don't think you know anything about either of these...besides the specs you seem to have misread on some website. I've actually used/owned/touched both models in question. As well as the RAM. Corsair is superior in both cases.

Caviar black 3gb/s? Where are you getting this info? Caviar black is 6gb/s with the advantage of a 64mb cache over the blue's 32mb. The black is faster than the blue. It is just a fact with benchmarks to back it up. Where are you getting this info saying its not?

Listen to what you're saying. You get a better warranty on all the products in his list for prices of $5-$20 difference to yours. How is that not worth it with such a minimal price increase?

I think its clear that you need to do some research. Cheaper is not always better. You have to take into account other things than just price and performance. You often don't think about things as important as how long it will last, or warranties, until its already broken. Better to take those into consideration when purchasing now. $20 is a small price to pay now for a free replacement in the future.
Edited by Lost Prophet - 4/16/12 at 3:52pm
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Its 80 Plus Gold vs 80 Plus Bronze. You're talking about a max of 5-7% difference in efficiency, and both are well over 80% so that difference is pretty irrelevant. The Corsair psu does have a 'silent' fan as well. I don't think you know anything about either of these...besides the specs you seem to have misread on some website. I've actually used/owned/touched both models in question. As well as the RAM. Corsair is superior in both cases.
Caviar black 3gb/s? Where are you getting this info? Caviar black is 6gb/s with the advantage of a 64mb cache over the blue's 32mb. The black is faster than the blue. It is just a fact with benchmarks to back it up. Where are you getting this info saying its not?
Listen to what you're saying. You get a better warranty on all the products in his list for prices of $5-$20 difference to yours. How is that not worth it with such a minimal price increase?
I think its clear you have no idea what you're talking about. Cheaper is not always better. You have to take into account other things than just price and performance. You often don't think about things as important as how long it will last, or warranties, until its already broken. Better to take those into consideration when purchasing now. $20 is a small price to pay now for a free replacement in the future.

Well the I'm getting my info on newegg and I'm not misreading anything. blue vs black , Rosewill psu vs Corsair psu, Corsair ram vs G.skill ram. To answer your question yes I would get something that's $20 cheaper with a worse warranty so that you can save overall enough money to get something better like a better gpu. The caviar black is better in general but it's $30 more which I would say outweighs the advantages. The corsair may arguably OC better and have a better warranty but it's $10 which isn't that much but if that's 125% the cost of the G.Skill ram don't think it would be worth it considering that fact that the price of ram is dropping still it won't cost that much to replace ever if they break. The Rosewill PSU is better and cheaper it just has a worse warranty. All the items I listed are all high quality and I've owned similar products to each of these. The only problem I've had is with the caviar black 500gb HDD. Honestly it's just about opinion say that someone doesn't know anything just because they have different thoughts is very childish. I would much rather have something that's better then has a better warranty. In this build I valued performance in gaming and generally better then warranty.You didn't touch on the gpu you could get if you did this 570 vs 7950.
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LOL the difference between SATA 2 VS SATA 3 for HDDs is non-existent. Rosewill makes quality PSUs, and Gskill makes some quality RAM. Also, buying a 570 right now is not a smart buy, seeing as they will be going down in price when the 670s are released.
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