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I mean, the whole in-body focus motor is a bit of a moot point these days with Nikon. Almost every lens that a consumer is likely to buy today is already an AF-S lens.

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I disagree, but that's irrelevant. Nikon has some good legacy lenses that go for thrifty dollar amounts. Hell, you could probably find a used D300 for 550D money these days.
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My point being that not everybody is going to go out and buy brand new lenses especially as Sub said, there is plenty of good legacy glass available for pretty cheap.
    
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I mean, the whole in-body focus motor is a bit of a moot point these days with Nikon. Almost every lens that a consumer is likely to buy today is already an AF-S lens.
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a cheap 50/1.4 with a in lens af motor
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post #25 of 30
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That's not really true. Almost every single Pentax slr lens will work fully with any Pentax slr body http://www.mosphotos.com/PentaxLensCompatibility.html
No autofocus motor in lower end Nikon bodies, inability to mount non F mount glass (without optical adapter) does limit lens choices though.

Nikon has a more lens usable on their current cameras than Canon... 60+ AF-S lens and rising and the older lens mount up but are manual focus, I use an older manual focus lens and I get by perfectly fine.
Canon only has ~150 Available to their current cameras.
Even the newly announced FF 28 1.8 is AF-S.
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I mean, the whole in-body focus motor is a bit of a moot point these days with Nikon. Almost every lens that a consumer is likely to buy today is already an AF-S lens.

Agreed, as a DX user my complaints are never lens focused (pun intended).
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a cheap 50/1.4 with a in lens af motor

$150.00 price difference?
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post #26 of 30
I'd also go with the T2i + 18-55mm kit lens to start. I thought I'd use the flippy screen of the T3i so I bought that and I almost never flip the screen out. It just adds bulk and makes them put buttons in an inconvenient place. The T2i has just about the same sensor as the T3i and the 7D for that matter so image quality shouldn't be a problem. The T2i is currently the best bang for the buck Canon DSLR in my opinion. I've also heard rumors that Canon's T4i will have the same sensor as well.

I'm not opposed to Nikon and there some nice things for beginners like continuous AF in movie mode. However, I found that it doesn't work reliably and I manually focus when shooting videos most of the time. Both brands have their pluses an minuses. I shoot Canon mainly because their design, button layout, ergonomics, and overall interface make more sense to me. However, Canon can be more expensive in some cases. I'm sure you read this generalization already, but in the cameras you are comparing Nikon has better low light performance and Canon has a better movie mode. It's up to which matters more. You're also buying into a "lens system" for future upgrades. Make sure whichever you choose has a good upgrade path. Cheers.
post #27 of 30
If you want to get technical, you can adapt lenses to EOS. In the lens argument, entry level Canon beats entry level Nikon merely because you can use any lenses from the EOS family and they will autofocus; you can also update as high as the Canon 7D and still use all the same glass. The only real limitation with glass on the Canon side is if you later upgrade to a 1D/5D family body, you lose the ability to shoot EF-S lenses. With the entry level Nikon bodies, you won't always have in-body AF. It's kind of a pain if you ask me.

You've already mentioned that you have a friend that shoots Canon. If you're on good terms with this friend, you can probably at least use some of this glass (if not borrow, or at some point, maybe even buy, etc).
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Nikon has a more lens usable on their current cameras than Canon... 60+ AF-S lens and rising and the older lens mount up but are manual focus, I use an older manual focus lens and I get by perfectly fine.

Canon only has ~150 Available to their current cameras.

technically every F mount lens can be mounted on EOS with just a adapter ring with no glass element for infinity focus.

additionally nikon lacks some of the super telephotos, tilt shifts and fast primes. but that really isnt even in the scope of this thread since we are discussing entry level bodies.
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$150.00 price difference?

considering the 50/1.4D is about 300 dollars, a $150 more is quite a bit more.
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Not to mention... not all of those old Nikon lenses are great, or even GOOD, ala the 43-86.
post #30 of 30
Going one step further.. just because they CAN use them, doesn't mean they should. Let's toss said 43-86 on a D800 and go take pictures, shall we?

Practical arguments are practical. The discussion is entry level, Canon vs. Nikon, given parameters set out by the OP. Given the circumstances (personal preferences aside), Canon is the more logical choice in this case. If the OP hadn't mentioned a friend that shoots Canon or indicated a strong interest in video, my recommendation could easily be different.
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