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I was the same way until a few years ago.
I had an 8800 GTX. It was a beast of a card during its day. When my wife decided she wanted to get into gaming, I had to build her her own system. I found a second hand HD 4870 512mb card for $200 (new, they were still $250+), so I jumped on it. As soon as I got to play around with it a little bit, I wanted to steal it from her computer and put it in mine. That was the first card that had GDDR5 in it, and what a difference it made! Even with 256mb memory less than my 8800 GTX, it was easily 40-50% faster in most games, and a lot smoother. I got an HD 5870 a year later, and it got even better.
Seriously, I love nvidia, but if the jump to the HD 7970 is anything like the jump from an 8800 GTX to a 4870 or 5870, then that is one helluva card.
Now, I just go for the best value at the time. I stuck with nvidia for too long and got screwed a couple times (FX 5900... what a terrible card that was). No more. Read reviews, and buy whatever fits your budget at the time.thumb.gif

HD 4870 512MB is Slower in BF3 compare to 8800 GTX. 1GB version in the other hand its much faster.
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HD 4870 512MB is Slower in BF3 compare to 8800 GTX. 1GB version in the other hand its much faster.

You can't be serious.

A first gen DX10 part is faster than a 2nd gen DX10.1 part? The HD 4870 thrives on DX10 content compared to G80/G92 architectures. G80/92 were really really good cards for DX9 games, but when you started playing DX10 games, it started to falter a little. The GT2xx cards fixed this issue and were far better at DX10 games.

Now I have to go hunting for benchmarks, if they even exist.


EDIT: So I found this in google.

http://www.overclock.net/t/1157441/8800gtx-for-bf3/0_30

You started the thread too... care to explain?
Edited by Mad Pistol - 4/15/12 at 9:20pm
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Yeah, AMD wants people to make their purchases now before the rest of Nvidia's lineup hits the market. Still I gotta see what the 3 games are, I might be tempted just to pick up a 7770.
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You can't be serious.
A first gen DX10 part is faster than a 2nd gen DX10.1 part? The HD 4870 thrives on DX10 content compared to G80/G92 architectures. G80/92 were really really good cards for DX9 games, but when you started playing DX10 games, it started to falter a little. The GT2xx cards fixed this issue and were far better at DX10 games.
Now I have to go hunting for benchmarks, if they even exist.

512MB kills it. Even with 2500K @ 4.8Ghz i was not getting more then 80% GPU usage. 8800GTX was hitting 99% usage.

Edit: Current AMD owners should get those games too. We payed more for the dam card.
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Now I'll finally be able to start using the 7770 in client builds instead of opting to pay the extra ~$10 for the much faster 6870.
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512MB kills it. Even with 2500K @ 4.8Ghz i was not getting more then 80% GPU usage. 8800GTX was hitting 99% usage.
Edit: Current AMD owners should get those games too. We payed more for the dam card.

You do realize that the HD 4870 512mb is a faster card, right? I mean 30-40% faster at least. Remember that GDDR5 on the HD 4870 effectively doubles the bandwidth of GDDR3 on the 8800 GTX. Even with the extra 256mb vram, the 8800 GTX cannot keep up.

I wish my 8800 GTX hadn't died on me. I have a 9800 GTX+ as the RMA replacement for it, so obviously the HD 4870 is faster than that on BF3.
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You do realize that the HD 4870 512mb is a faster card, right? I mean 30-40% faster at least. Remember that GDDR5 on the HD 4870 effectively doubles the bandwidth of GDDR3 on the 8800 GTX. Even with the extra 256mb vram, the 8800 GTX cannot keep up.
I wish my 8800 GTX hadn't died on me. I have a 9800 GTX+ as the RMA replacement for it, so obviously the HD 4870 is faster than that on BF3.

Do you understand that 512MB is not enough for BF3 and it can be god like Speed and still be slower? The GPU can be as fast as you want it but with 512MB it will choke. 8800GTX had 384-bit which it was not that slow either.
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Who cares about bf3 performance on four and five year old cards?

Anyway my first card was an ATI 9700 pro and it was honestly the best card I ever owned. Shortly thereafter Nvidia released the FX5900 and it was a complete waste of space. Ever since then I've been an ATI fan but not so much that I won't buy Nvidia cards. Had both an 8800 GTS 512 and two 480GTX. I can't even imagine sticking with one brand exclusively. Get whatever is best perormance in your price range for the current generation has been my buying pattern. I kind of jumped the gun this gen buying a 7970 on release but with voltage locked on 680s I feel like I made the right choice.

I feel like everyone should own cards from both camps though. They both have their pluses and minuses. For an IQ freak like myself I enjoy spending hours in Inspector and Radeon Pro just finding out different combinations to get the best possible IQ on each game. Each company has very powerful and different IQ tools if you are willing to put the time into learning it. It's been a fun ride for me so far 2500 high quality screen shots later.
    
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Do you understand that 512MB is not enough for BF3 and it can be god like Speed and still be slower? The GPU can be as fast as you want it but with 512MB it will choke. 8800GTX had 384-bit which it was not that slow either.

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Here's what I'm seeing between these two graphs.

At 1680x1050, the HD 5770 with 1GB GDDR5 and 800 stream processors is faster than the HD 4870 with 512MB GDDR5 and 800 stream processors.

At 2560x1600 the HD 4870 with 512MB GDDR5 and 800 stream processors is faster than the HD 5770 with 1GB GDDR5 and 800 stream processors.

Conclusion: Guess that blew your theory on vram out of the water.


Regardless of how much you think BF3 is a vram hog, there are other forces at play, like GPU architecture. That extra 256mb vram on the 8800 GTX doesn't mean jack.


Read this too: http://www.hwcompare.com/2362/geforce-8800-gtx-vs-radeon-hd-4870-512mb/

By that comparison, the HD 4870 512mb is actually an average of 60% faster than the 8800 GTX. You know that 384-bit bus on the 8800 GTX? It doesn't mean jack either. The HD 4870 has 33% more memory bandwidth.

Now, if we add 2+2, meaning more memory bandwidth plus a faster card, do you know what we get? A MORE POWERFUL AND FASTER CARD IN ALL SITUATIONS!!! Feel free to provide evidence that proves me wrong on this.



I could keep going on this one, but unless someone here is willing to do some BF3 benchmark comparisons between the 8800 GTX and HD 4870 512mb cards, I think this case is closed.



EDIT: New thread to discuss this found here: http://www.overclock.net/t/1244007/which-is-faster-for-bf3-8800-gtx-or-hd-4870-512mb/0_30#post_16990677
Edited by Mad Pistol - 4/15/12 at 10:58pm
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Yeah, AMD wants people to make their purchases now before the rest of Nvidia's lineup hits the market. Still I gotta see what the 3 games are, I might be tempted just to pick up a 7770.

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