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Originally Posted by 996gt2 View Post

There's no guarantee Nintendo is using a 4870 in there. In fact, I'd be willing to be they're using one of the lower-end R700 parts.

I know, I wrote the article. tongue.gif
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Originally Posted by EVGA Phaedrus View Post

If I recall a 4870 can just about keep up with one of our 540s, and almost match the 550Ti in some games. Still not an especially fast card.

5870 = 2x 4870
GTX260 x2 = 5870
5870 x2 ~= 680 / 7970

Ergo it will be something like a GTX 250 or 260 with a 1/4 speed of a 680/7970. But this is kinda vague.

And they wanna really use the R700 product line, they better be ready for some serious heat issues
Edited by Alex132 - 4/16/12 at 3:34am
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1. This should be in the rumors section
2. Even if the Wii U had 5ALUs(40 stream processors), it doesn't mean it's slower than desktop counterparts. The 6670 that's rumored to be in the next Xbox has 480 stream processors, 10x the amount found in the 360's R600-based GPU, yet despite that fact, the 6670 is nowhere near 10x faster.

Based on pixel, texture, compute and bandwidth(the most important factors in determining performance), the 6670 is only 3x faster than Xenos on paper, and even slower in real world scenarios.

3. What a shameless plug tongue.gif
Edited by BizzareRide - 4/16/12 at 3:39am
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Originally Posted by EVGA Phaedrus View Post

I know, I wrote the article. tongue.gif

*spits out juice*

Honestly, I didn't expect the Wii U to be extremely strong but something this weak is surprising, yet obvious.
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http://blog.gamersportal.com/2012/04/the-wii-u-gpu/

I have no idea how many times it has to be said, how a part performs in a PC has little bearing on how it will perform in a console. In a PC you have to go through 27 api layers while consoles bypass all of the overhead.
Edited by xoleras - 4/16/12 at 5:12am
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If they release a new Zelda, I will still buy one. biggrin.gif
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It's Nintendo after all so the cheaper it is to make the better! Lower end R700 it is.
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I'm still betting it's a 4770. I know it doesn't fit with the shader comment that some anonymous 3rd party developer made, I'm assuming that's inaccurate. Logically the 4770 makes alot of sense to me, it was the first 40nm product AMD made but they never really got much consumer market saturation with it. AMD probably had a ton of spare 4770 cores they wanted to sell. The 4770 would be marginally faster than the GPU's in the Xbox360/PS3 and thus able to handle some tweaked 1080p graphics.
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And they wanna really use the R700 product line, they better be ready for some serious heat issues

If they are using one of the higher end R7xx parts, or an equivalent, you don't really think they would just drop a 55nm GPU in the Wii U, do you?

Why would anyone even make them a 55nm GPU at this point, when 40 and 32nm nodes are very mature, and 28nm is available?

It's almost certainly going to be a significant die shrink, both for cost and power/heat reasons.
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Based on pixel, texture, compute and bandwidth(the most important factors in determining performance), the 6670 is only 3x faster than Xenos on paper, and even slower in real world scenarios.
3. What a shameless plug tongue.gif

Memory bandwidth isn't directly comparable between widely separated architectures because newer means of compression and better memory controllers are always being made available.

Pixel fill rate is mostly irrelevant if no traditional AA methods are being employed because even the paltry fill rate of a 6670 is enough to render hundreds of 1920x1080 frames per second. Modern cards are an order of magnitude faster than something like the NVIDIA 7900 series in modern games at high details, even though they tend to only have 2-3x times the pixel fill rate.

Texturing is still important obviously, but I think computer/shader is going to be a better indication of modern real world performance for upcoming consoles than anything, as the trend for the last several years has been moving toward more and more shader based effects.
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I'm having a hard time classifying this article as 'objective' headscratch.gif
   
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