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Great, thanks for the answers.
Tbh, I hated the scroll wheel on zowie AM, it feels too stiff. It's a pita.
I prefer loose scrolling, I jump from Mwheeldown in cs.
Does the g400 scroll loose at all after the break-in period?
It seems like many people nowadays prefer a tactile, stiff scroll wheel. I miss the old loose wheels =D
How come? I thought scaling down/interpolating the CPI steps would reduce tracking quality/precision, and add minimal latency, I don't care if it's negligible, but I know it's still there and that irritates me smile.gif
Also, do all the G400 cpi steps have same amount of MAX/MALF speeds? Does the HZ setting affect MAX/MALF speeds at all?
Can anyone confirm if the g400 lens is the default lens from avago for the spesific sensor or custom lens?

Scroll wheel: It's not tactile, but on the other hand it is not loose as the old MS wheels (WMO, IE3.0...). I have mine since last August, and I would rank it like this:

WMO: scrolls on it own, if I flick the mouse, no tactile feel at all, very loose.
Kinzu v2 Pro: pretty loose, but with some tactile feel.
G400: not loose, not really tactile
DA, Abyssus: same as the G400, but with additional tactile resistance.

The scroll wheel might need some breaking in for a day, but it haven't changed in the last 9 months.


DPI scaling:

Downscaling works without any issue, 400 DPI is perfect. 1800 and 3600 DPI however are not the greatest. 400/800 DPI has a really high max speed, close to 5 m/s. 1800 and 3600 DPI step is pretty much half of it. Also, the quality is not the best at the high DPI steps, but you have to ask someone else about that, as I never used any mice at high DPI, and I don't feel like plugging in all my mice to test and compare it. :-)


Lens:

This is not an easy question. The sensor is Logitech specific itself, so I would say this: It is custom made for Logitech, but it is not a messed up custom lens. The sensor was made only for Logitech by Avago and the lens was made for that specific sensor, so there are no issues with it.
Edited by Zwiebi - 4/17/12 at 11:25am
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"Perfect Mouse"

If you like the shapes, Deathadder or G400. If you don't like the shape, queue in line with the rest awaiting a perfect mouse that one day might be released.
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post #23 of 27
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Originally Posted by Zwiebi View Post

Scroll wheel: It's not tactile, but on the other hand it is not loose as the old MS wheels (WMO, IE3.0...). I have mine since last August, and I would rank it like this:
WMO: scrolls on it own, if I flick the mouse, no tactile feel at all, very loose.
Kinzu v2 Pro: pretty loose, but with some tactile feel.
G400: not loose, not really tactile
DA, Abyssus: same as the G400, but with additional tactile resistance.
The scroll wheel might need some breaking in for a day, but it haven't changed in the last 9 months.
DPI scaling:
Downscaling works without any issue, 400 DPI is perfect. 1800 and 3600 DPI however are not the greatest. 400/800 DPI has a really high max speed, close to 5 m/s. 1800 and 3600 DPI step is pretty much half of it. Also, the quality is not the best at the high DPI steps, but you have to ask someone else about that, as I never used any mice at high DPI, and I don't feel like plugging in all my mice to test and compare it. :-)
Lens:
This is not an easy question. The sensor is Logitech specific itself, so I would say this: It is custom made for Logitech, but it is not a messed up custom lens. The sensor was made only for Logitech by Avago and the lens was made for that specific sensor, so there are no issues with it.

Great appreciate you took the pains to try educate me! And thanks others for the clarifications.

That's what I meant, so the lens is spesifically designed for the g400 and the sensor in g400? and not like Zowie did with zowie AM, with their custom lens that reduces tracking quality?

I remember some talk about g400, that it could have had better tracking quality/precision, did they mean overall on all CPI steps? or just the higher ones, as you said they aren't as good?

If that's it, and the g400 400 & 800 steps are "perfect" I think i'll order it =] Altough I'm sure I'd like little smaller shape. Guess I could always create a kinzuadder or switch the Zowie AM switches, but I think Zowie AM suffers a bit due to the custom lens.

One more thing, how are the skates?
Are there basically any flaws in g400? Anything that could have been better sensor-wise and with mouse overall ? Anything that makes it worse than DeathAdder ? =]

Wonder if you can remove some weights from inside the g400..


Thanks once again.
post #24 of 27
You are welcome! :-)

-Yes, the lens is designed for that exact sensor, it is not a "we know better" lens.

-I don't know about that precision part, apart from the software bug. The early releases of the software downscaled every DPI step from 3600 DPI and it introduced some ripple in the tracking. However this issue has been fixed a long time ago, and the software works properly now.

-Skates are on the fine side. They are not exceptional, but given the size of the skates (large) it glides well.

-What could be better:

I don't really like the scroll wheel. It's thin, without indentations and real tactile feeling. However, this is a personal preference, so i'm just mentioning this.
The left mouse button has a little play, that makes a little sound when you put your finger on it. It is a 0.5 mm gap between the switch and the mouse shell. It doesn't affect anything at all, you can only hear or feel it, if you tap on the button without clicking it, just to hear that noise, or your hobby is to lift the mouse without touching the buttons, and then drop it just for this reason. :-)

My only issue with the mouse is the weight and size, but that is the most personal preference of all. It is a bit lighter than the DA (105 g vs. 112 g) though.
I think the only option to remove weight is if you get rid of the side buttons and everything related to them. So no easy fix for that one... :-(
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post #25 of 27
It's not very popular, but I really like the NZXT Avatar
post #26 of 27
The wire of G400 could be more flexible, but it's light and thin at least. I agree that the scroll wheel isn't that great, I can live with that. Tracking at 400 and 800 CPI is simply great. I use 1800 CPI for desktop and it's fine too, max speed over 2m/s is already overkill with CPI that high. At the highest 3600 CPI setting the jitter / ripple is visible, especially when using 500 or 1000Hz polling rate. To be honest every single mouse has this issue and some of them jitters much more.
Edited by Glymbol - 4/19/12 at 11:35am
post #27 of 27
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Originally Posted by CorruptBE View Post

"Perfect Mouse"
If you like the shapes, Deathadder or G400. If you don't like the shape, queue in line with the rest awaiting a perfect mouse that one day might be released.

Exactly my thoughts. I've used both the G400/DA, but the shape is horrible for small hands(finger tip) users. frown.gif

OP: The perfect mouse(sensor wise) would be: DA, G400, Zowie AM(if you rule out some of the inconsistencies) like LOD/CPI steps. Just my 2c. smile.gif
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