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The hardware still isnt appealing. I mean the htc evo 4g outdoes the lumia 900 and how old is it?

If all you do is run benchmarks all day, why do you even have a data plan? smile.gif

Lumia 900 outperforms the mentioned 4g by a huge margin in every da tasks and buttery smooth ui.

No, it doesn't. Every day tasks can be easily done by Android (Even stock) and no phone released these days is stuttery or not smooth. Especially with ICS.
The whole "iOS and WP7 are smoother than Android" thing was BS after the HTC Desire, IMO. Android uses hardware less efficiently (Running apps via Java is probably why, but I won't pretend to know for sure.) but generally has far faster hardware to make up for it. Froyo, Gingerbread, Honeycomb and ICS have all made significant strides in reducing that overhead though.
    
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No, it doesn't. Every day tasks can be easily done by Android (Even stock) and no phone released these days is stuttery or not smooth. Especially with ICS.
The whole "iOS and WP7 are smoother than Android" thing was BS after the HTC Desire, IMO. Android uses hardware less efficiently (Running apps via Java is probably why, but I won't pretend to know for sure.) but generally has far faster hardware to make up for it. Froyo, Gingerbread, Honeycomb and ICS have all made significant strides in reducing that overhead though.

To be fair, it's taken them this long to get to that point whereas Windows Phone 7 has been extremely responsive since day one. Also, since the hardware is controlled you don't get poor performance.

In fact, requirements for Windows Phone 7 have gone down every update.
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To be fair, it's taken them this long to get to that point whereas Windows Phone 7 has been extremely responsive since day one. Also, since the hardware is controlled you don't get poor performance.
In fact, requirements for Windows Phone 7 have gone down every update.

That's because WP7 and Android are differently built. Android is a bit more heavyweight in this regard; it has to be less strict (in terms of coding) in order to support different hardware configurations and platforms. Hardware agnosticism is achieved for a small tradeoff in platform efficiency. That being said, ICS has come extremely close to iOS and WP7 in terms of smoothness, particularly because of its forced GPU acceleration for the UI.

And I think WP7 has a less complex system, anyway. Android is kind of a Java VM running atop a Linux base, if I recall.
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To be fair, it's taken them this long to get to that point whereas Windows Phone 7 has been extremely responsive since day one. Also, since the hardware is controlled you don't get poor performance.
In fact, requirements for Windows Phone 7 have gone down every update.

By this logic consoles should outperform pcs. Optimization is nice, but the ability to use the latest hardware is often a bigger advantage.
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No, it doesn't. Every day tasks can be easily done by Android (Even stock) and no phone released these days is stuttery or not smooth. Especially with ICS.
The whole "iOS and WP7 are smoother than Android" thing was BS after the HTC Desire, IMO. Android uses hardware less efficiently (Running apps via Java is probably why, but I won't pretend to know for sure.) but generally has far faster hardware to make up for it. Froyo, Gingerbread, Honeycomb and ICS have all made significant strides in reducing that overhead though.

To be fair, it's taken them this long to get to that point whereas Windows Phone 7 has been extremely responsive since day one. Also, since the hardware is controlled you don't get poor performance.

In fact, requirements for Windows Phone 7 have gone down every update.

HTC Desire is where Android came smooth and all WP7s are equal or faster than it, I wouldn't say WP7 is smoother. It just has that minimum specs thing so it seems smoother. WP7, iOS and Android would all lag like crap on a HTC Dream.

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By this logic consoles should outperform pcs. Optimization is nice, but the ability to use the latest hardware is often a bigger advantage.

They do beat PCs, within limits of course. A 7900GTX would not be able to do the stuff a PS3 does at the same resolution. It's just PC hardware is that much faster. (For comparison, the last VLIW5 cards from AMD had 1600 shaders. The 360 has just over 40 iirc)
    
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By this logic consoles should outperform pcs. Optimization is nice, but the ability to use the latest hardware is often a bigger advantage.

Right, but we're not debating which is better hardware. The whole conversation stemmed from a comment about WP7 outperforming Android. I haven't used very many Android devices that don't lag while scrolling screens and none that don't lag with widgets. Yes, Android is coded different and yes it can have much higher specs but the term 'outperforming' when applied to a smart phone between platforms has nothing to do with specs. WP7 outperforms most Android devices. It runs smooth on every phone.

And about your console analogy, they DO outperform PCs. With very few exceptions, when you buy a console game it performs perfectly. You are correct that you can get better performance from some computers with high end specs but use the same hardware in a console for your PC and you won't get anywhere near the same level of detail as a console. They are different and you can't compare them from specs.

I'm not against Android and I know many people love to customize and tweak. But to say Android is better because of higher specs when it has taken years and multiple versions (at least 4 big ones) for it to run as smooth as iOS or WP7 kinda negates that. Like it or not, WP7 is a very well polished OS with a good model to avoid some pitfalls of the other OSs. They all have their strengths and weaknesses but 'low end hardware' isn't one.
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HTC Desire is where Android came smooth and all WP7s are equal or faster than it, I wouldn't say WP7 is smoother. It just has that minimum specs thing so it seems smoother. WP7, iOS and Android would all lag like crap on a HTC Dream.
They do beat PCs, within limits of course. A 7900GTX would not be able to do the stuff a PS3 does at the same resolution. It's just PC hardware is that much faster. (For comparison, the last VLIW5 cards from AMD had 1600 shaders. The 360 has just over 40 iirc)

Very true. But again, you can't hold that against WP7. They know their limits and have set them. I'm trying to find a chart of WP7 minimum specs specs as time has gone on. They have cut to almost half with the same level of performance.

edit: here's an article: http://www.windows8update.com/2012/02/27/windows-phone-officially-lowers-its-minimum-requirements/ It used to be 1GHz and 512mb RAM, now it is down to 800MHz and 256mb of RAM.
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No, it doesn't. Every day tasks can be easily done by Android (Even stock) and no phone released these days is stuttery or not smooth. Especially with ICS.
The whole "iOS and WP7 are smoother than Android" thing was BS after the HTC Desire, IMO. Android uses hardware less efficiently (Running apps via Java is probably why, but I won't pretend to know for sure.) but generally has far faster hardware to make up for it. Froyo, Gingerbread, Honeycomb and ICS have all made significant strides in reducing that overhead though.

I was comparing EVO 4G, which he said had better specs, yet they are useless.

Again,


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The lack of incognito mode is getting to me tongue.gif but apart from that you were right, I've started to love this phone and almost everything that comes with it. Only things I have to wait for now are more developers to bring apps to the marketplace, the problem I see with that though is that Microsoft seems to charge a pretty steep fee to put apps on the marketplace and into a market where not many people are willing to invest their money on games and apps. Hopefully soon I can bring a file manager to this thing so it's a full fledged smartphone.

This is what separates serious developers from amateurs with poorly written apps, the $99 annual developer fee gets you started and that fee is waived if you are a student with a valid .edu email address.

They have to pay someone to really control the market place, this is where $ comes from, same with Apple, it's $99.
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I was comparing EVO 4G, which he said had better specs, yet they are useless.
Again,

Start-up time is useless unless your phone is unstable, in which case you have bigger problems. Other than that, I have no idea what's up with that Nexus but my SGSII is a lot faster than that. For the web browsing test, the Android had an ad so it wasn't a fair comparison. It's still more for it to process, I don't get those blank areas zooming out either. Mine was also getting 32fps as opposed to ~21 for that video when my SGSII is a 1.4Ghz Exynos, compared to a 1.2Ghz TI CPU based off the A9 like mine is. (Proof)
I get 18fps as opposed to 8fps he gets for Speed Reading. (Proof.)

200mhz, a custom ROM and a lower resolution do not make up 10fps in a test unless something is fishy...If it was simply him leaving heaps of applications over, fair enough as while a testing environment should leave everything else closed, a real world person won't do that.

Not going to bother with network speed tests as I'm on 3G and in a different area, so results are invalid but for the record I get 3330Kb/s.

As for Angry Birds...Never seen mine have to load apart from when I first start it. And as for camera launching, does WP7 have a button to launch it directly from the lock screen? Mine does. (Proof)
As for "feeling solid", that means crap all. A Macbook feels solid, but some models have that bad overheating issue. My SGSII has 2-3 scratches and that's including showing off to people how solid it is.

Battery life is the one drawback of SGSII/most Android phones in general, except that also applies to nearly every smartphone in general. Overall, that test was pretty biased and none of them really showed any realistic usage or different apart from sub-1s differences in speed in Angry Birds, the browser loading and camera.
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I'm never buying an iPhone. NEVER. Everyone I know who's owning it are either - average Joe's who do not stand out at all or girls who don't care about gadgets.
I've had HTC Desire HD (android, EU version of EVO 4G) for a year and a half and loving it, but it's becoming slow smile.gif
I don't like One X, just because it's white. It's soon time to get a new one, so I might take a look at WP, maybe it's something to have. Depends of course on the visual aspect and hardware, but I love Windows.
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I'm never buying an iPhone. NEVER. Everyone I know who's owning it are either - average Joe's who do not stand out at all or girls who don't care about gadgets.
I've had HTC Desire HD (android, EU version of EVO 4G) for a year and a half and loving it, but it's becoming slow smile.gif
I don't like One X, just because it's white. It's soon time to get a new one, so I might take a look at WP, maybe it's something to have. Depends of course on the visual aspect and hardware, but I love Windows.

just FYI, it comes in black too:

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