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The fact of the matter is the Iphone and Android to a lesser extent have software ecosystems that are far and away from what Windows phone offers. Until Microsoft is able to attract the same software support the other two platforms enjoy their phones will continue to languish.
Not only that the Iphone in particular is an extremely impressive piece of hardware. It offends me when people say that WP7 isn't as successful because people are brainwashed by Apple marketing. Microsoft brings in 20 billion profit every year. They are not some little startup with a great product that is gettting crushed by large corporations. Apple simply has a superior product all around.

But there you just did it yourself. Blanket statements are red flags. To say Windows Phone 7 doesn't do anything better than an iPhone is just as brainwashed. Here is one thing: Windows Phone 7 allows for different handsets. You want a hardware keyboard? Sure. Bigger screen? Sure. They have found a great compromise between Android's 'do whatever you want with our OS' and Apple's 'you get any device you want as long as it is an iPhone'. Windows Phone 7 allows manufacturers to make changes to the dimensions and some features while mandating key specs so the experience is standardized across the devices.

I agree with you that WP7 is not being held back solely by loyalty to other companies (though to deny it is a factor is ignorant) but you seem to be making the same sorts of mental judgements you are speaking against.
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But there you just did it yourself. Blanket statements are red flags. To say Windows Phone 7 doesn't do anything better than an iPhone is just as brainwashed. Here is one thing: Windows Phone 7 allows for different handsets. You want a hardware keyboard? Sure. Bigger screen? Sure. They have found a great compromise between Android's 'do whatever you want with our OS' and Apple's 'you get any device you want as long as it is an iPhone'. Windows Phone 7 allows manufacturers to make changes to the dimensions and some features while mandating key specs so the experience is standardized across the devices.
I agree with you that WP7 is not being held back solely by loyalty to other companies (though to deny it is a factor is ignorant) but you seem to be making the same sorts of mental judgements you are speaking against.

I don't thing WP7 does anything better then Apple. At least not anything better then Apple that people actually care about in a macro sense.

Apple has the best software ecosystem period and they have arguabally the best hardware. Marketing has nothing to do with it. Microsoft can throw as much money or more at marketing as Apple does and they can hire the same people Apple does if they really want to. This is coming from an android owner who plans on getting a new android for his next phone as well. I'm just being objective here.
    
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Exactly. My question was for the user who claimed Google "suckered" people in by locking them into their app ecosystem. ALL and I mean ALL (at least, the major players to my knowledge) lock you into their app ecosystem. I have had a Windows Phone (Samsung Focus) before and bought apps on it, can't use them on my current phone (iPhone 4S). I have bought tons of apps on my Android phones (Evo 3D, Transformer Prime, Droid RAZR, Nexus One, etc) and I can't use them on my current phone. If I decide to switch yet again I will not be able to use the apps I bought on my iPhone on a different OS.

i see. I misunderstood tongue.gif Yes it does seem like a pain, but they all run differently? Yes? Like Mac computers and PC that share the same programs have different versions for each OS. Probably just a way for the creator of the app to suck a bit more money out of people too tongue.gif and thats interesting tongue.gif I have an Evo Shift and a EEE Transformer thumb.gif
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I would agree with previous poster if w8 was avail to 2011+ wp 7 .even if ms said it cost x to upgrade your nokia 710 to w8.it probably wont be avail for 2011 unit.googllehas a lot sold phone not nokia google it self latest was yesterday .when g stop supporting this phone.how many phone will user have needed to keep up with ms.i wish os were sold directly to user.
post #265 of 365
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I don't thing WP7 does anything better then Apple. At least not anything better then Apple that people actually care about in a macro sense.
Apple has the best software ecosystem period and they have arguabally the best hardware. Marketing has nothing to do with it. Microsoft can throw as much money or more at marketing as Apple does and they can hire the same people Apple does if they really want to. This is coming from an android owner who plans on getting a new android for his next phone as well. I'm just being objective here.

Did you even read my post? I specifically laid out an advantage that Windows Phone has over Apple... Device choice is a pretty big 'macro' thing to care about. How about MS Office on your device? Just because you don't use it doesn't mean you can just dismiss it. Zune Pass. Xbox Live integration. All those things are advantages for Windows Phone. You can't claim to be objective and then make comments like yours.
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Did you even read my post? I specifically laid out an advantage that Windows Phone has over Apple... Device choice is a pretty big 'macro' thing to care about. How about MS Office on your device? Just because you don't use it doesn't mean you can just dismiss it. Zune Pass. Xbox Live integration. All those things are advantages for Windows Phone. You can't claim to be objective and then make comments like yours.

Like I said I don't think people care about those things with their phones. People would rather have Iphone hardware then any of the WP7 hardware. That's the point. Zune has already proven to be a terrible failure of a product and brand and I'm not sure why Microsoft keeps dragging it's corpse out. Seems rather typical of the company however so I'm really not surprised. The only thing on that list you gave me I think even remotely would interest people is the XBL integration for gamers but even for them I don't think ti'd be a big enough selling point to get a Windows phone over an Iphone. Just because it's a check list mark doesn't make it an advantage. People would rather use Itunes then Zune and they would rather the games lineup on iphone then windows games even with a bad version of XBL invovled.

There is no indication out there at all that Windows Phone is anything but dead in the water. Nokia better get on the Android boat before they sink with it to. I wouldn't be saying this if the writing was not on the wall either. Symbian, RIM and Windows Phone are done. The market has spoken and it's obvious to everyone but them. I'd love to see more choices I really would. Honestly I have no issues with any of those companies I just think it's completely obvious. None of them bring anything to the table anyone cares about that Android and Iphone haven't done better. Period.

Also this. Read.

http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2403341,00.asp
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Like I said I don't think people care about those things with their phones. People would rather have Iphone hardware then any of the WP7 hardware. That's the point. Zune has already proven to be a terrible failure of a product and brand and I'm not sure why Microsoft keeps dragging it's corpse out. Seems rather typical of the company however so I'm really not surprised. The only thing on that list you gave me I think even remotely would interest people is the XBL integration for gamers but even for them I don't think ti'd be a big enough selling point to get a Windows phone over an Iphone. Just because it's a check list mark doesn't make it an advantage. People would rather use Itunes then Zune and they would rather the games lineup on iphone then windows games even with a bad version of XBL invovled.

There is no indication out there at all that Windows Phone is anything but dead in the water. Nokia better get on the Android boat before they sink with it to. I wouldn't be saying this if the writing was not on the wall either. Symbian, RIM and Windows Phone are done. The market has spoken and it's obvious to everyone but them. I'd love to see more choices I really would. Honestly I have no issues with any of those companies I just think it's completely obvious. None of them bring anything to the table anyone cares about that Android and Iphone haven't done better. Period.

Just read your statements. You base your absolutes on your opinions. Again, discounting something just because you don't see value or merit in it is ridiculous. Windows Phone 7 is doing rather well for the market it entered. They have only released a single (perhaps 3 if you have to chose more) flagship device and the demand is clearly more than they anticipated. The majority of reviews have been positive and carriers are optimistic about the platform.

If you want to be objective then be objective but don't throw around your opinions as fact and then try and rebut someone calling you out by throwing out more opinions.
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I don't thing WP7 does anything better then Apple. At least not anything better then Apple that people actually care about in a macro sense.
Apple has the best software ecosystem period and they have arguabally the best hardware. Marketing has nothing to do with it. Microsoft can throw as much money or more at marketing as Apple does and they can hire the same people Apple does if they really want to. This is coming from an android owner who plans on getting a new android for his next phone as well. I'm just being objective here.

Apple does not have the best hardware at all. Best is subjective.
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Just read your statements. You base your absolutes on your opinions. Again, discounting something just because you don't see value or merit in it is ridiculous. Windows Phone 7 is doing rather well for the market it entered. They have only released a single (perhaps 3 if you have to chose more) flagship device and the demand is clearly more than they anticipated. The majority of reviews have been positive and carriers are optimistic about the platform.
If you want to be objective then be objective but don't throw around your opinions as fact and then try and rebut someone calling you out by throwing out more opinions.

Actually all indications including this article is that WP is dead on arrival. Everything you've said is based on your opinion as well, I don't even know why that needs to be mentioned.
    
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