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Your right, Microsoft has been an epic failure the last 10 years. I mean, Windows XP--- trash, Windows 7--- trash, XBox and Xbox 360--- trash, Windows Server 2003 & 2008--- junk....

Well no one said that. I said specifically Microsoft has been successful in the markets it was successful the ten previous years. Selective reading FTW right?rolleyes.gif

The only new product Microsoft has successfully launched in the last ten years was the xbox 360 and they are still deep in the hole if you count all the losses from the original xbox project. Like 4 billion in the hole. Not that that matters as long as the 360 and next console are profitable they're happy but let's not pretend like Microsoft has been a bastion of innovation since 2000.
    
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Your right, Microsoft has been an epic failure the last 10 years. I mean, Windows XP--- trash, Windows 7--- trash, XBox and Xbox 360--- trash, Windows Server 2003 & 2008--- junk....

Wow, I heard of the term MS-haters, but you must be one of its chief captains!
Jesus Christ, do you really dislike them that much?

Windows XP was - compared to its predecessors ME, 2K and 9X - a huge graphical advancement. Security-wise it was still an improvement too.
Of course, nowadays only fools or people with slow PCs keep Windows XP because nowadays it's dangerously outdated. Back in these days, many PCs weren't equipped to deal with XP yet, though.

Vista, I agree, was a failure. A minor one, but still a failure. I've been asked loads and loads of time to visit people who upgraded from XP to Vista and discovered their PC went megaslow, so I had to do the downgrade again. But security-wise, in comparison to XP, it was a huge improvement.

I think Windows 7 is actually THE most widely used OS at this time. I mean, you see it on tablets, on every new PC at school, every PC store sells his PCs bundled with Windows 7, and in my living area, I don't know anyone who hasn't got Windows 7, except for a few people with PCs older than 10 years. So if it's so widely used, it can't be THAT bad, can it?
In my own eyes, Windows 7 has the speed of XP combined with the security and graphical UI of Vista.

Windows 8 on a PC, there I completely agree, is a failure. A giant one. On a tablet, I'm sure it'll work great, but you don't need all that tablet-compatibility on a PC so it all makes it a nuissance to do it all with a mouse and keyboard, what you should do with a finger.
 
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He was being sarcastic. And if someone wants to call me a MS hater please just save your breath because I really could care less either way. My opinion is pretty much majority in the business community and most prognosticators are saying the exact same things about WP7 and Windows 8. We'll obviously see though.
    
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Wow, I heard of the term MS-haters, but you must be one of its chief captains!
Jesus Christ, do you really dislike them that much?
Windows XP was - compared to its predecessors ME, 2K and 9X - a huge graphical advancement. Security-wise it was still an improvement too.
Of course, nowadays only fools or people with slow PCs keep Windows XP because nowadays it's dangerously outdated. Back in these days, many PCs weren't equipped to deal with XP yet, though.
Vista, I agree, was a failure. A minor one, but still a failure. I've been asked loads and loads of time to visit people who upgraded from XP to Vista and discovered their PC went megaslow, so I had to do the downgrade again. But security-wise, in comparison to XP, it was a huge improvement.
I think Windows 7 is actually THE most widely used OS at this time. I mean, you see it on tablets, on every new PC at school, every PC store sells his PCs bundled with Windows 7, and in my living area, I don't know anyone who hasn't got Windows 7, except for a few people with PCs older than 10 years. So if it's so widely used, it can't be THAT bad, can it?
In my own eyes, Windows 7 has the speed of XP combined with the security and graphical UI of Vista.
Windows 8 on a PC, there I completely agree, is a failure. A giant one. On a tablet, I'm sure it'll work great, but you don't need all that tablet-compatibility on a PC so it all makes it a nuissance to do it all with a mouse and keyboard, what you should do with a finger.

Sorry for the misunderstanding, I was being sarcastic. I was trying to say those were not failures. (XP, 7, XBox, Server, etc.)

Though I'm not ready to write off Windows 8 yet, so I wouldn't call it a failure. I think it could do really well for the average user. Like I said earlier, it pretty much makes using a computer 'idiot proof'. I could see people liking it. Techies, on the other hand, may not be so into the idea of the GUI.

I also wouldn't bag on Windows Phone yet, the OS is amazing. Sure it'll be tough fight to gain market share, but the product is high quality and the Nokia partnership is a big plus.
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Your right, Microsoft has been an epic failure the last 10 years. I mean, Windows XP--- trash, Windows 7--- trash, XBox and Xbox 360--- trash, Windows Server 2003 & 2008--- junk....

Windows XP 400 Million sales
Windows 7 450 Million sales
Xbox 24+ Million sales
Xbox 360 67.2 Million sales

er... trash?
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The only new product Microsoft has successfully launched in the last ten years was the xbox 360 and they are still deep in the hole if you count all the losses from the original xbox project. Like 4 billion in the hole. Not that that matters as long as the 360 and next console are profitable they're happy but let's not pretend like Microsoft has been a bastion of innovation since 2000.

Windows XP and 7 have sold more than 5X the sales of 360.... ???
post #286 of 365
Obviously it would be silly to call W8 a failure seeing how it hasn't even come out yet. I will say though that it looks like it's going to make a lot of people angry.

I just don't get why they are risking losing their PC userbase to enter a market they don't even know yet if they are going to be successful in at all. It's a really bold move. I admire it in a way but it seems foolish. If Microsoft stumbles on Windows to the point where another competitor gains some ground they are looking at trouble.
    
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Windows XP 400 Million sales
Windows 7 450 Million sales
Xbox 24+ Million sales
Xbox 360 67.2 Million sales
er... trash?
Windows XP and 7 have sold more than 5X the sales of 360.... ???

Sarcasm man! thumb.gif
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I'm seeing the opposite of the thread's title and topic. In Northern Ontario anyway, all three major carriers have Windows Phones (Bell, Telus, Rogers) and I check stores regularly for in store specials and they are almost always sold out of Windows Phones because of the demand.

Now this could of course be because of low stock on them in the first place, but if an entire line of phones with one OS is always sold out, that surely says something.

I do hear a lot about certain carriers in the US being *far from the best* so I have no idea if that affects sales or not.
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Obviously it would be silly to call W8 a failure seeing how it hasn't even come out yet. I will say though that it looks like it's going to make a lot of people angry.
I just don't get why they are risking losing their PC userbase to enter a market they don't even know yet if they are going to be successful in at all. It's a really bold move. I admire it in a way but it seems foolish. If Microsoft stumbles on Windows to the point where another competitor gains some ground they are looking at trouble.

It clearly wasn't 'obviously silly' when you just said that an hour ago. rolleyes.gif
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... Smart money says the same thing is going to happen to Windows 8 tablets when they get released in the next couple years as well. ...
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I apologise. Didn't see that was sarcasm, my bad, whitingnick.

But on topic now: I like Android, am used to it, and I believe 60% of my country doesn't even have a smartphone. Of the 40% who do have a smartphone, about half of it runs on Apple's OS, half on Android and only a small percentage on Windows Phone. So I think the title is very apt: Windows Phone might be good, but it's certainly not used much. At least in my country. smile.gif
 
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