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post #1961 of 3914
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Originally Posted by jeroompje View Post

Cost are more power usage.

Aaaa power i have a lot biggrin.gif thx for the tip! biggrin.gif
post #1962 of 3914
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Originally Posted by Catalin 
P9X79-E WS socket 2011 1 cpu:

Intel® X79 chipset :
2 x SATA 6Gb/s port(s), white
4 x SATA 3Gb/s port(s), blue
Support Raid 0, 1, 5, 10
Marvell® PCIe 9230 controller :
4 x SATA 6Gb/s port(s), white
Support Raid 0, 1, 10
ASMedia® PCIe SATA controller :
2 x eSATA 6Gb/s port(s), red

The Marvell 9230 is a good controller, the best from all Marvells controllers around the market, most of them are crap, but this one you can run raid sata 3 smile.gif

Now depending on your budget u can choose, i recommend 2011 socket because they have 64 gb ram besides the 32gb max of 1155 socket, but they need dual or 2011 single cpu wich is more expensive.

I agree with you here:

My actual setup is a Gigabyte X79-UD5 with 64GB of RAM, so the 1155 is not an option, since I'd have to throw away half of my ram modules (or sell them)

The Dual-Xeon Thingy sounds like fun, but right now I do not want to spend 3400EUR on CPUs, since I do not run that many scenarios profiting from multi-threading, I think my 3930k is overkill enough right now. That leaves me with the P9X79-E WS as a viable option. The only thing I am sceptical about is, that it is an ASUS Board and with those boards I had only bad luck.

My first ASUS Board was a K7M for Slot A (those were the days), one day it died for no apparent reason.

My second ASUS Board was a Striker Extreme and when turning it on, somthing smelled burned, after disabssembling everything, there was a scorchmark next to the CPU Socket, no idea where that came from. ASUS rejected sending me a replacement, claiming I damaged the board, which I did not.

My third ASUS Board was a P8P67, on this some of the USB-Ports malfunctioned and caused BSODs every once in a while.

Beside those all my builds were upon EPOX or Gigabyte Boards, which made no problems whatsoever. So may be it was just bad luck on my part, but I think you now know, why I am skeptical about switching from Gigabyte to ASUS.

Anyway thanks for the advice.
Edited by Ganzir - 5/18/13 at 11:49am
post #1963 of 3914
The P9X79-E WS that i see on newegg is around 500$ and one openbox at 400$ good price besides the 1155 p8z77-v premium, the new z87 1150 (new cpu socket) see link bellow, that will come out in a few weeks, offers from the low end 6 x sata3 port to high end like maximus extreme VI to 10 x sata3 ports biggrin.gif and also 64gb of ram 4 dim so 4 x 16 sticks, is the best i can imagine, and prices will be from 200-300$

http://techreport.com/review/24818/asus-shows-off-z87-based-haswell-motherboards

Also Asrock Extreme 11 is a good options, but the real deal is the SAS smile.gif and the price is a bit high 600$+

So go for the P9X79-E WS if u can`t wait anymore and dont change socket, or wait 2-3 weeks and go all in for the z87 biggrin.gif (that`s what ill do)

Well i recommend Asus besides all mainboards biggrin.gif I had also Gigabyte ones, Asrock come hard from behind but is not yet the real deal, i like also the bios from Asus, and i had no problems with it, and i dont think you will have problem with a WS=Workstation is designed to be stable/safe/secure/optimal performance on nonstop usage almoust a server smile.gif
Edited by Catalin - 5/18/13 at 11:59am
post #1964 of 3914
I checked the manual of the WS-Board, as it turns out, the PCIe slot are only version 2.0 and what is really bad, if running CF or SLi they are connected with 8 Lanes only.

Since I am running MGPU that is a no go.
post #1965 of 3914
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Originally Posted by Ganzir View Post

I checked the manual of the WS-Board, as it turns out, the PCIe slot are only version 2.0 and what is really bad, if running CF or SLi they are connected with 8 Lanes only.

Since I am running MGPU that is a no go.

i dont know this exactly but the specs show 3.0:

Expansion Slots
4 x PCIe 3.0/2.0 x16 (x16 or dual x16/x16 or x16/x16/x16/x16, blue) *
3 x PCIe 3.0/2.0 x16 (x8 mode, black) *
* This motherboard is ready to support PCIe 3.0 SPEC. Functions will be available when using PCIe 3.0-compliant devices. Please refer to www.asus.com for updated details.

Than wait for z87 biggrin.gif did you check that link?
post #1966 of 3914
Here is the link to the manual, you may want to look at the schematic on page 35 (2-7), that says otherwise.

Regarding Z87, it has the same problem, only one nativ PCIe x16 Lane and only 4 RAM Slots. I cannot find any modules that have 16GB per Module (except reg ECC variant). In any case I would have to sell my RAMs to get new ones (my current modules are 8GB each) and switch the processor and since I am watercooling that would mean a new CPU-Cooler, all that sounds like to much trouble, just to get those SSDs on faster ports. And we do not know, how the Haswell will perform, when compared to Sandy-Bridge-E.
post #1967 of 3914
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Originally Posted by Ganzir View Post

Here is the link to the manual, you may want to look at the schematic on page 35 (2-7), that says otherwise.

Regarding Z87, it has the same problem, only one nativ PCIe x16 Lane and only 4 RAM Slots. I cannot find any modules that have 16GB per Module (except reg ECC variant). In any case I would have to sell my RAMs to get new ones (my current modules are 8GB each) and switch the processor and since I am watercooling that would mean a new CPU-Cooler, all that sounds like to much trouble, just to get those SSDs on faster ports. And we do not know, how the Haswell will perform, when compared to Sandy-Bridge-E.

than the first one: http://www.asus.com/Motherboards/Z9PED8_WS/#specifications and you have 2011 cpu and i think it works with only 1 cpu also smile.gif but i think at video is same x8 lanes
Edited by Catalin - 5/18/13 at 1:12pm
post #1968 of 3914
Thank you very much for your continued advice, sadly this board is not an option right now, the reasons being:

a) it is true, that it can run with only one CPU, however in that case I do not know if that CPU hast to be a XEON, which are to pricy for my taste.

b) Even if it runs with a i7 (what we do not know) it can only utilize the 4 RAM-Slot belonging to that CPU-Slot.

c) I am not sure the board runs with normal Rams (maybe it needs reg ECC) I did not dig into this.

Regarding Video, it would really provide 16 Lanes if one used two cards, which is a nice thing.

So once I have a haystack of money, I might really crazy enough to try this out, but right know the costs involved in such a project are by no means justified by a potential result: Remember all I wanted to do it to attach 4 SSDs to SATA III ports instead of SATA II ports. Right now we are talking about switching CPUs, the Mainboard and RAM, money wise this are about 5000EUR just to accomplish that feat.

And here is an addional trigger even if I opted for 2 Xeon this would decrase my gaming performance, see here - it is a german page (since I am from Germany) but you will be able to read the tables.

So that would really mean spending a lot of money for less performance, where every single frame counts and no difference in every day applications, which make no use of 6 cores let alone 16.

Bottom line:

May be it would really be the simpler, cheaper and therefor smarter solution to opt for SATA-RAID-Controller-Add-In-Card.

The Problem with those: I read some posts about such controllers from LSI, they tend to overheat and that wont get any better if placed between two GPUs, furthermore (if I understood correctly) they need some space on the BIOS-ROM, due to the use of UEFI-BIOSes such space might not be readily availabe resulting in all kinds of quirks, like not being able to POST, being one of them.

Just as a sidenote, AMD provides 6 SATA III Ports on their SB950 that has been around for years, why cant Piledriver be a litte faster, I'd scap the intel build without giving it a second thought. It is more costly and less versatile as this discussion proves.
Edited by Ganzir - 5/18/13 at 2:30pm
post #1969 of 3914
You'd best leave C1E enabled. This allows your processor still to throttle down when not in use. Thus will help your system run much cooler. All other C states can be disabled without a problem. Disabling C3 and C6 gives a nice boost to your 4k speeds.
post #1970 of 3914
Funny thing is, I cannot find the C-State options anywhere, could this be due to the use of a beta BIOS?
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