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Y2BNE1: If your BIOS can support a 120K RAID OROM then it will work, Im not positive it can. So for now Id stick with the ASUS stock RAID OROM.
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I cloned my system drive to my HDDs, dropped the RAID-0 array on my SSDs, recreated the RAID-0 array with OROM 11.6.0.1702, cloned back the content of the system. IRST version is 11.6.2.1002 , OROM 11.6.0.1702, Windows 7 SP1, Z68 chipset, Samsung 830 SSDs. TRIM test was repeated, twice.
Result: TRIM is NOT working!
You can believe me, I know what am I doing, I am a system engineer at EMC. The same TRIM test works with my wife's laptop with a standalone Samsung 830.
So what now? Is it working only with Intel made SSDs? That would make no sense, TRIM command is a TRIM command... ney2x, any idea? You said it is working for you with the same chipset. Are you on Win7?

Pretty sure trim only works on the Z77 chipset only, as has been demonstrated on many sites. It doesn't work on Z68.
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But is it allowed to move modules position inside bios? I'm not sure it is.
That is why when you replace module you want it to be of exact size (or smaller).
Intel orom 11.6 is almost twice in size uncompressed and any modules that come after it inside bios are moved. I really don't want to brick my mobo and not be able to boot.
I must find information on this before eventually flashing bios.

For what it's worth and it may not be much.. I have included the asmedia firmware/rom into all of my BIOS files, it's not there by default anymore (for a long time) and that would 'move' things around and it hasn't caused an issue for me.

That said, I wouldn't try it unless you had a way to recover like the Z77 boards etc.
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Pretty sure trim only works on the Z77 chipset only, as has been demonstrated on many sites. It doesn't work on Z68.

There were rumour about TRIM will be supported old older chipsets also with 11.6.x.xxx, and who spread this romour said it is working for him on z68. I still believe him but I don't understand why it's working for him and not to me.
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There were rumour about TRIM will be supported old older chipsets also with 11.6.x.xxx, and who spread this romour said it is working for him on z68. I still believe him but I don't understand why it's working for him and not to me.

As I said earlier, I tested on Intel Solid Drives. I haven't tested it on other brand of SSD's. TRIM is working if you used Intel SSD Toolbox SSD Optimizer which means, TRIMMING should be run manually.
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Are you sure that SSD Toolbox Optimizer engage trim operation and not the garbage collector subroutine?
I can confirm that with the latest drivers one can run optimizer on raided ssds which was not possible before.
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From what I understand, Sandforce garbage collector kicks-in when a user logged off or on idle. As my source told me, TRIM on AHCI mode kicks-in aggresively. TRIM on RAID mode can run aggresively and manually (depends on the chipsets). I believe TRIM works on my Z68 chipset and there are pre-requisites for it to worked (as I said before).

Here's a screenshot of X-Ways WinHex after TRIM.

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Are you sure that SSD Toolbox Optimizer engage trim operation and not the garbage collector subroutine?
I can confirm that with the latest drivers one can run optimizer on raided ssds which was not possible before.

I agree with you. I have never heard about MANUAL TRIM, but I heard about manual garbage collection, or you can fill up manually the volume with zero.

Ney2x said earlier, TRIM will be supported with 11.6.1.xxx. Garbage collection or manual disk filling != TRIM.
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From what I understand, Sandforce garbage collector kicks-in when a user logged off or on idle. As my source told me, TRIM on AHCI mode kicks-in aggresively. TRIM on RAID mode can run aggresively and manually (depends on the chipsets). I believe TRIM works on my Z68 chipset and there are pre-requisites for it to worked (as I said before).
Here's a screenshot of X-Ways WinHex after TRIM.

On your screenshot I can see additional TRIM files created instead of TRIMming the deleted file. Based on that screenshot your tool fills up the NTFS volume with hidden files and then wipes them. Actually it is a way of trimming (let's call it MANUAL TRIM as you named earlier). But you can do the same with sdelete, you don't need any special tool for that and you could always do that in the past, too.

A few weeks earlier I asked on this forum if I would do the same with SDELETE, why it would be not equal with a manual TRIM? If I fill up the unused space on the NTFS volume with zero and wipe the files on Winhex the result looks the same as if TRIM would work.

Could someone please explain me actually what is the difference between if the controller flushing the NAND chip (TRIM) or I fill up manually with zero with SDELETE?
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If the Intel SSD Toolbox lets you Manually TRIM the drive then TRIM is supported and working if your running Win7/Win8

Manually TRIM'ing the drive is for OS'es that do not support the TRIM command at the OS level like Vista/XP
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