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post #21 of 74
Are you talking about pumps or hard drives? :s
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post #22 of 74
Sequential pumps are the way to go, as evidenced by Martin's testing.

If you are after a quiet build it is best to decouple the pump from where it is mounted, which can't be done with a bay res pump combination. Again, Martin's testing provides answers about which pump/top combo is the best for silence. A MCP 350 and a 35X are audible when mounted in the Koolance bay res (401x2) but I can't hear them if I mount them on a foam pad.

Also, why go for RAID 10 when RAID 5 will net you more storage space for the same number of drives?
Edited by mdatmo - 4/19/12 at 5:27pm
 
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post #23 of 74
Also when looking at pumps, notice that the higher the wattage, the more heat they run under load. The DDC-3.x series (MCP355/MCP35X) runs around 100C. The DDC-1T (MCP350) runs around 57C. If a performance top is added to the DDC-1T, the pump remains cooler and the flow increases.
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post #24 of 74
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Was talking analogously about pumps smile.gif

Thanks yea I got the sequential idea from that same page, I saw in another review that the aquastream is very good as its an eheim in some sort of way, hopefully I shouldnt be hearing them too often as they will be undervolted automatically.

I just quickly read up on raid 5 as I dont actually need the performance of raid 10 but it does not seem suitable for backup, only fault tolerance and data availability, is it even meant to be a back up?

My HDDs apart from holding my media has to backup all data from the SSDs, aswell as documents and work.

I could do 6TB in raid 0 and 2x3TB in raid 1 for 9 TB but thanks to murphys law I will probably end up losing whatever I have on the raid 0, I would rather just run the raid 10 till a disk dies and not have to worry about doing a crash course in server maintenance when that happens.
I think I could fill this tower up with 3TBs and never run out of space before buying a new tower.


Thanks I was wondering what tops do, I think its funny there are after market parts for after market products. Yo dog we put a mod in your mod so you can mod while you mod.
post #25 of 74
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Originally Posted by MaFi0s0 View Post

Was talking analogously about pumps smile.gif

Thanks yea I got the sequential idea from that same page, I saw in another review that the aquastream is very good as its an eheim in some sort of way, hopefully I shouldnt be hearing them too often as they will be undervolted automatically.

I just quickly read up on raid 5 as I dont actually need the performance of raid 10 but it does not seem suitable for backup, only fault tolerance and data availability, is it even meant to be a back up?

My HDDs apart from holding my media has to backup all data from the SSDs, aswell as documents and work.

I could do 6TB in raid 0 and 2x3TB in raid 1 for 9 TB but thanks to murphys law I will probably end up losing whatever I have on the raid 0, I would rather just run the raid 10 till a disk dies and not have to worry about doing a crash course in server maintenance when that happens.
I think I could fill this tower up with 3TBs and never run out of space before buying a new tower.


Thanks I was wondering what tops do, I think its funny there are after market parts for after market products. Yo dog we put a mod in your mod so you can mod while you mod.
You should be doing raid 5 then, or maybe even raid 6. Raid 5 gives you the redundancy of if one disk dies, if you put another disk in it works again. Raid 6 is basically the same, but instead of one disk of redundancy, it's two disks of redundancy.
post #26 of 74
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Did some more reading, I get black outs so write holes are a possibility for me, also it seems recovering off a raid 5 is a coin flip?

Going to raid 6 would require I get a controller and back up power for a 20% increase in storage space.

I think I will go raid 6 for the 2nd array when it comes time to get a controller.

My board only does 0,1,5,10
post #27 of 74
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2 proposed loop designs
1st one being prioritization: Res > pump > pump > Rad360 > CPU > Rad120 > GPU > Mosfet
2nd one being the least amount of tubing Res > pump > pump > GPU > Rad120 > CPU > Mosfet > Rad360


360
360


I am inclined to go the 2nd choice.
Edited by MaFi0s0 - 4/20/12 at 4:46pm
post #28 of 74
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Originally Posted by MaFi0s0 View Post

2 proposed loop designs
1st one being prioritization: Res > pump > pump > Rad360 > CPU > Rad120 > GPU > Mosfet
2nd one being the least amount of tubing Res > pump > pump > GPU > Rad120 > CPU > Mosfet > Rad360
360
360
I am inclined to go the 2nd choice.

The secomd choice is better anyways lachen.gif

No, and I think 5 is guaranteed to work if one fails.
post #29 of 74
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So I think I am pretty much set on what parts I will be using with my build.
I hope this build lasts me a bit longer than usual as its considerably more than I usually spend. I would also most likely be reusing a lot of stuff in the future.
The 2 things emphasized with my choice of parts are silence and quality.

Intel 520 240GB
Although not 100% sure on this as a choice. Its readily available, considered one of the fastest for the price range and slightly cheaper than the sandisk extreme, although I cant say anything for certain as I found it difficult to interpret the SSD benchmarks, other choices were a revodrive3, Munshkin deluxe(the 120GB is faster), and sandisk extreme. Although was recomended against those and then considered the Samsung 830 which I would now consider my 2nd choice.


Lian Li PC-V2120
A big tower, all aluminium and sound deadened, I wanted function over looks, no cold cathode or clear panels for me, it snugly fits in my desk and has wheels so I can more easily show my friends what a water cooled PC looks like. smile.gif

P8Z77-V DELUXE
I decided on an Asus for its performance and rep, lots of Sata ports and overclocking options such as loadline calibration.

16GB Dominator GT
1.5v Ram thats faster than what Ive had for 3 years.

Xonar Essence ST
After needing an alternative to creative (their software has stopped working on my current computer) I unpredictably decided on an Asus soundcard, the reasons being it has a Superior SNR aswell as a much needed amp for my headphones.



Seasonic XP-1000
After the PSU in my P4 build cooked the CPU and motherboard one day while playing CS:S after I thought I could smell something cooking I took heed to the advice that the PSU is a very important choice in any build, after looking at many brands I decided I liked Seasonic the most for there build quality, they were also the 1st company to release Gold rated PSUs, I have decided to go with a platinum rated one not because I am someone likes to save electricity but because its just a nice reflection on the overall quality of the product, the hybrid cooling is also a must for me.

GTX 670 (reference model)
680 is sold out and price gouged, the 670 performance is practically the same OC v OC.
I am purchasing the Zotac as it is a reference of the 680 board, so it is still compatible with the 680 FC block.
I only run 1080p the compatability of a single GPU is good for me, and until I start dropping under 60FPS in games this will do me.


Aquaero 5 LT
I currently use a zalman analogue manual controller and I have found it a slight inconvenience to twist 4 knobs based on temps I cant easily see, the lights on it have also stopped working.
Aquaero is supposedly the best fan controller out and I like that it can just do everything automatically aswell as adjust the pumps which I suspect will be the noisiest part of this system.


Aquabox professional Reservoir
A res is a res, after not being able to find anything fancy such as the ones from CyberDruid to my liking, I decided to just go with this for no particular reason besides it being made in Germany.

Aquastream XT Ultra Pump
Able to monitor water temps and flow and being able to adjust automatically with the fan controller, it also has less noise than the Liangs, this pump was an easy choice for me.

SR1
Better at 600RPM than the PA, has a lot less flux and seemingly better build quality.

EK Nickel Blocks
EK-Supreme HF - Acetal+EN (Nickel)
EK-FC680 GTX - Acetal+EN (Nickel)
As I am not looking for lowest temps but rather quietest operation I looked for blocks with the least amount of restriction, I also went nickel as I dont plan to do any major maintenance on the blocks, after a lot of reading and having doubts on the nickel I came across this article: http://www.guru3d.com/news/ek-improves-water-block-nickel-plating/
Acetal is also considered more durable than whatever the clear stuff is.

Fluid
http://www.tfc-us.com/shop/en/LIQUIDS/Feser-One-Cooling-Fluid/PURE/Feser-One-Cooling-Fluid-PURE-1-L-BOTTLE
When I was looking in to blocks I realised the importance of having anti corrosion and choosing the right biocide, I also did not want anything with silicate (G11) as this could possibly be a cause for gunk in the loop.

Still looking for a fluid without silicates or dyes. I really dont need protection against aluminium.


Piping
Tygon 2001.
I was almost going to choose Masterkleer until I found out it does leech a small amount of plastacizer, I decided to go with the seemingly only one that is just free of plastacizer.
Somewhat clear to go with the clear liquid, although I do plan to change the water every so often I dont want to go replacing piping or cleaning waterblocks.
The lack of plasticizer makes this a little harder to work with than most tubing, but only having to work with it once, and having a bit of a purist mentality on this I found it an easy choice for me.


Fans
As it turns out the fans I chose last build were not actually the most quiet as one particular benchmark suggested, after seeing Martin's Round 6 tests I have decided to go with the Gentle Typhoons for their noise signature and unanimous recommendation. Unfortunately they are not available in 140mm. After not being able to find too much about 140mm I have unsurely decided to go with Silent Wings 2 based on an anecdotal report that after someone had tested a lot of different ones these were the quietest.


Fittings
Swifttech Lok-Seal
A new improvement over the previous top performer.

TIM
Indigo Xtreme
This stuff is simply the best although not always compatible.

I have decided to delid and go with GC Extreme. which should produce better results than IX.

A good review here on TIMs: http://benchmarkreviews.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=150&Itemid=62&limit=1&limitstart=12

PK-1 for GPU and Mosfet, better than what was tested in the review above, and considered the best paste that has been reviewed.
http://skinneelabs.com/shin-etsu-g751-x23-7762-and-x23-7783d-review/5/
Edited by MaFi0s0 - 5/22/12 at 1:46am
post #30 of 74
Thread Starter 
Decided to go ivy bridge which works out cheaper which is nice cause I was already over budget, only need 2 sticks of ram, dont need the mosfet block and the mobo is cheaper too.
I am looking forward to the MVP feature.
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