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I'm making a new thread here rather than separate threads about building a rig...1500$ (actually swiss francs) for literally everything from PSU to monitor though monitor isn't a big problem. This is not for me but for my friend so everything posted here would be greatly appreciated not only by me but by my friend as well tongue.gif

Also there are only two shops which are available locally in the area (geneva - switzerland) and since the prices are pretty much same as the ones in amazon, i don't want to get into the hassle of shipping and all that. Sites are: prodimex.ch and steg-electronics.ch

Though you guys can post the names of the components for me to check and i can confirm whether it's there or not because prices are more or less the same as other websites such as newegg and amazon.

Purpose is mainly gaming and some intense video editing though it's not really a problem because it's nothing professional.

Few things i'm considering:

- FX-8120
- HD 7850 (HD 7870 is around 80-100 bucks more which is a lot?)
- Asus Sabertooth 990fx or Gigabyte 990fxa-ud3 (http://www.steg-electronics.ch/de/article/gigabyte-990fxa-ud3-531065.aspx)


new suggestions are always welcome smile.gif
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Originally Posted by shad0wboss View Post

Purpose is mainly gaming and some intense video editing though it's not really a problem because it's nothing professional.

Main components I would recommend for that purpose are:

Asrock Z68 motherboard
Intel i7-2600K
Geforce GTX 680
At least 8GB DDR3 RAM
Intel or Crucial SSD

See if those are available to you from those websites
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Purpose is mainly gaming and some intense video editing though it's not really a problem because it's nothing professional.
Few things i'm considering:
- FX-8120
- HD 7850 (HD 7870 is around 80-100 bucks more which is a lot?)
- Asus Sabertooth 990fx or Gigabyte 990fxa-ud3 (http://www.steg-electronics.ch/de/article/gigabyte-990fxa-ud3-531065.aspx)
new suggestions are always welcome smile.gif

I'd opt for a 680GTX. Wait for the 4GB models if you can.
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Main components I would recommend for that purpose are:
Asrock Z68 motherboard
Intel i7-2600K
Geforce GTX 680
At least 8GB DDR3 RAM
Intel or Crucial SSD
See if those are available to you from those websites

The 2600k would be better for gaming but for video editing... maybe not so much. Anything that is heavily multi-threaded that can really load the cores will be much faster on the FX-8120. The FX-8120 at 4.6GHz can beat out a 2600k at 4.8GHz by over 10FPS on the second pass of a x264 encode.

That being said, a Phenom II X6 at 4.2GHz beats out the same 2600k by 7FPS on the second pass. Personally I'd say that Bulldozer is the better buy but you also can't go wrong with an X6.
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I'd opt for a 680GTX. Wait for the 4GB models if you can.
The 2600k would be better for gaming but for video editing... maybe not so much. Anything that is heavily multi-threaded that can really load the cores will be much faster on the FX-8120. The FX-8120 at 4.6GHz can beat out a 2600k at 4.8GHz by over 10FPS on the second pass of a x264 encode.
That being said, a Phenom II X6 at 4.2GHz beats out the same 2600k by 7FPS on the second pass. Personally I'd say that Bulldozer is the better buy but you also can't go wrong with an X6.

Well, he did say mainly gaming so that's why I suggested the 2600K, as it would be a good choice for doing both with an emphasis on gaming. From the benchmarks I've seen, however, the 2600K has performance in video encoding similar or better sometimes than the FX-8150. Of course an i7-3930K would be a better choice for video editing than either of them.
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lol i cant read wat language the shops are in but it depends how many monitors u r using. 680 is realllyyy overkill. I wud suggest waiting for 670 (hopefully wont have as many vrm problems like the 570s were notorious for) or 660ti. More monitors = more memory needed .
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I'd opt for a 680GTX. Wait for the 4GB models if you can.
The 2600k would be better for gaming but for video editing... maybe not so much. Anything that is heavily multi-threaded that can really load the cores will be much faster on the FX-8120. The FX-8120 at 4.6GHz can beat out a 2600k at 4.8GHz by over 10FPS on the second pass of a x264 encode.
That being said, a Phenom II X6 at 4.2GHz beats out the same 2600k by 7FPS on the second pass. Personally I'd say that Bulldozer is the better buy but you also can't go wrong with an X6.

yea and wat this guy wrote tho u wont be able to reach peak performance cuz windows (im assuming here) wont be able to fully utilize bulldozers entirely new architecture and stuff. They also get pretty hot so i wud suggest an h60, h70 i think (if u can)
    
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Most of the X6 processors' production have been stopped. You won't find an 1100T anywhere unless it's on eBay (used).
I would go with an i5-2500K. It's not too overkill, yet delivers excellent gaming performance. It may be a bit slower for video editing, but that being said, you don't do too intensive video editing. To pair up with the 2500K, any Z68 motherboard or even some of the newer Z77 motherboards would do fine. 12GB RAM or more for video editing, preferably 1600 MHz/PC3 12800 or higher. The 7850's fine, 680 might be overkill. PSU should be at least 650W+. For good airflow, a good case is needed; I would recommend a Corsair Carbide series.
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On his budget...GTX 680 is definitely not overkill
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At that budget and with those purposes, an Intel processor would serve you better. An i7 will be good in video editing (though possibly a touch behind bulldozer) and definitely better in gaming. Also, motherboards are more expensive for Bulldozer & they require more power to run, reducing the apparent price advantage. Edit: Neither store has Phenom II x6 processors in stock, further reducing CPU options.

Possible build:
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Monitor: Benq XL2420t CHF: 448
http://prodimex.ch/pInfos.aspx?CODE=C24J15
Very high quality monitor in terms of image and response time, it's capable of 120hz (120 frames per second, rather than the normal 60). And also 3D stuff with an nvidia card (though I don't really consider that a big benefit - it's just one of the most highly rated 120hz monitors). Spending more on a monitor will reduce the budget for other stuff, including video card.... but a great video card doesn't count for much without a good monitor.


Budget didn't stretch as far as I thought... so get an ordinary 1920x1080 monitor. CHF: 170
http://www.steg-electronics.ch/de/article/benq-g2420hdbl-160649.aspx
You should probably actually just get whatever looks good in the store. Best way to select a cheap standard monitor. This monitor is claiming a big discount... which could mean it's pretty high quality at a big discount. Then again, it could mean the monitor didn't work out well and should properly be this cheap because of quality...

CPU: i7-2600k CHF: 299
http://www.steg-electronics.ch/de/article/intel-i7-2600k-333089.aspx
4 cores + hyperthreading & overclockable = good CPU performance

Mobo: Gigabyte z77 CHF: 110
http://www.steg-electronics.ch/de/article/gigabyte-z77-ds3h-533153.aspx
This is the same price @ both stores. It's a basic z77, not capable of SLI (2 video cards). But if you're not planning on 2 video cards, it should work great! All these z77s have onboard USB3 ports SATA3, and basically all the perks most users want in a motherboard.

CPU Cooler: Coolermaster 212+ CHF: 37
http://prodimex.ch/pInfos.aspx?CODE=16031
You might want to look around online and see if you can find a Thermalright HR-02 Macho for nearly the same price or only 5-10 more. The HR-02 macho is good, quiet, and used to be relatively inexpensive in europe at least. It's 34 euros at hardwareversand.de - dunno how that converts to CHF.

Video Card: Sapphire 7850 CHF: 261
http://prodimex.ch/pInfos.aspx?CODE=D20C25
This card will run the toughest games (BF3, Shogun 2: Total War, that sort of thing) well at only high graphics quality settings, not maximum or ultra graphics quality settings. It will, however, handle less demanding games fantastically. Er, the above for 1920x1080 resolution. At your budget, I wouldn't recommend paying more for a better card.

RAM: 2x4gb 1600mhz low voltage CHF: 60
http://www.steg-electronics.ch/de/article/corsair-ddr3-1600mhz-8gb-118682.aspx
Nice sale on this kit.

PSU: Super Flower Amazon 550w CHF: 73
http://prodimex.ch/pInfos.aspx?CODE=B05J32
The Super Flower 550 that's not an amazon is much cheaper, but I couldn't find any reviews to see if it is high quality. This one is very highly recommended, and supposedly pretty darn quiet too.


Case + PSU: Antec Sonata III CHF: 123
http://prodimex.ch/pInfos.aspx?CODE=B05E35
Yes, normally cases that come with PSUs have PSUs that are mind-blowingly terrible, but the Sonatas are an exception. They come with quality Antec PSUs. The Sonata III has USB 2.0 on the front and a 500w power supply (easily strong enough for an overclocked i7+ one video card. If you want to plan ahead for two video cards or really really want a single USB 3.0 port on the front of the case, you can get the Sonata IV with a 620w PSU. If you decide on another case, I'd recommend the PSU above. This is a pretty good deal though, in terms of getting a quality case + quality PSU for cheap.

SSD: Plextor m3 128gb CHF: 169
http://www.steg-electronics.ch/de/article/plextor-m3-series-213720.aspx
Another good discount. This is one of the faster & more reliable brands out there, essentially a better version of the highly regarded crucial m4. For relatively cheap, it's the obvious choice for SSD at this capacity.

HDD: WD Caviar Green 5400rpm. 1TB or 2TB CHF: 99 or 139
For 7200 rpm, Seagate Barracuda 1TB or 2TB CHF: 99 or 149
All at steg. I didn't look to much at Prodimex. I prefer the slower & quieter Caviar Greens... but they're just for media storage, running programs off of them will be slower than 7200 prm. If you can't fit all your programs on the SSD, go for 7200.

DVD-Burner: Whateverbrand CHF: 20
http://prodimex.ch/pInfos.aspx?CODE=B18A31
DVD burners are oddly expensive at steg.

Total: CHF 1348 with the cheaper monitor and hard drive. Build does not include windows. Taxes may make up the rest, or else you can spend it on a gaming mouse (~50, I suggest the Mionix Naos 3200 if they have one in stock), keyboard, cheap speakers/headset, or whatever. You can reduce price significantly by:
1)not overclocking (~100 CHF discount by getting a dirt cheap h61 board, no 3rd-party CPU cooler, & a non-K processor)
2)getting an i5-2500k instead of an i7 (~100 discount)
3)getting less RAM (~30 discount)
4)getting a crappier video card like a 6870 (~100 discount)
5)dropping the SSD (~170 discount)
6)some combination of the above

All of those have some significant downsides, however.
1)Slower CPU - not such a big deal in most games, will affect video editing times though
2)no hyperthreading - no effect on games, will affect video editing times. Not sure if more than #1
3)likely no effect on gaming, could dramatically penalize video editing experience - or have no effect, depending on whether 4gb is enough or not
4)less shiny in gaming
5)SSD is fast boot, fast load times, luxury computing, but not necessary. Very nice though.

You might also put together a similar build at a site like hardwareversand.de to see if it would be cheaper despite shipping.
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On his budget...GTX 680 is definitely not overkill

At European prices & including paying for a monitor a 680 is tough to fit into the budget. Not to mention whether it's overkill or not doesn't really have anything to do with the budget... it has to do with the monitor & resolution. For the vast majority of games it is indeed overkill at 1920x1080 resolution.
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At European prices & including paying for a monitor a 680 is tough to fit into the budget. Not to mention whether it's overkill or not doesn't really have anything to do with the budget... it has to do with the monitor & resolution. For the vast majority of games it is indeed overkill at 1920x1080 resolution.

Maybe for the vast majority of games. But that's hundreds of games you're talking about. For newer more intensive titles it is definitely not overkill if you want to run everything maxed and have over 60fps. Not saying he's gotta buy it but on a $1500 budget its not impossible to fit in.
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