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I'd say you're right in your assumption that the 2500K will net you more PPD. OC that baby to 4.5 GHz+ and you'll see around 20K PPD. thumb.gif
Unfortunately, until folding is better optimized for AMD GPUs, that's gonna be how it is. redface.gif

I guess things haven't changed much on the AMD front then.

I'm already at 4.5 GHz. Most of my WUs have been finishing giving me around 14k PPD. Is there anything I should be optimizing or configuring to get 20k PPD?

You could run Linux in a VM, that will run under Win so you will not leave the comfort of that place. There's a distro specially built for folding that has an image that you'll open with VMware and configure.

Read post in the spoiler, but change the line numvcpus = "8" in the .vmx file to numvcpus = "4" in your case.

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Sure I've got some tips that will increase your folding performance, but it will mean replacing everything you've done so far. It's not very difficult though and I can walk you through the entire setup process and can guarantee at least a 20% performance improvement compared to whatever you may be getting now.

First what you need to do is finish the work units that you are currently folding in v7, do this by clicking the Finish button in your client (in the middle of this image, to the immediate left of the viewer button) and verify that both of your slots (CPU and GPU) now say finishing instead of running. This will finish your current work unit (WU) but not download a next WU. We do this because we will be changing clients and we want to finish your current work rather than make a change in the middle. If we had moved to a different client while you were working you would not finish your current WU and it would have been lost. That is always something to avoid because when you are assigned a WU but either delete it or do not finish it, that WU is not reassigned to someone else for a very long time so it slows down and hurts the research project as a whole. So just remember to always try to avoid doing anything that will cause you to delete or otherwise lose a WU.

Ok once you have set your client to finish your current WUs and waited for them to completely finish (the ETA as seen here will have reached zero and then wait another 2 minutes to be sure it's done) we can start installing the new clients. The first one we are going to do is going to be a Virtual Machine of Linux (VM). A VM will give the folding work a more direct access to your CPU because Linux is a less bloated and better OS for folding. This is the guide for a Linux VM that I use and recommend, it's very easy to follow. First you will want to go into your BIOS and enable virtualization, this should be in the advanced tab of your BIOS under "CPU configuration" it will be called "Intel Virtualization Technology" and look like this, switch that to enable and then press F10 to save the change and exit. Then you just follow the guide as normal until you get to the web configuration part of the guide. At this point we want to make a few changes from the "base set of options" shown on the screenshot in the guide. Right click and open my screenshot at the bottom of this post in a new tab to see full size the settings appropriate for you. You want those exact settings except for putting in your own folding name and passkey, leave the primary DNS I blacked out to it's default. Once you have those settings and hit submit your VM will reboot and then start folding. To monitor it's progress the monitoring program HFM is recommended, to set it up to monitor your VM follow step 7 of the guide but just replace the log folder address with the one shown in your VM window.

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Can you really fold bigadv with 2500K?

Only BA-8 (6901/6900) on that OC, native or VM, but these days the BA-8 are scarcely given to clients which detects fewer than 12 threads, and the BA-12 (6903/6904, which seems plentiful) will not be done in time on a 4.4 OC. All the BA requires corefix for a 2500K, regardless of clock.

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No I know you can't anymore (at least as far as I know), but I was under the impression that configuring your client for bigadv gave you WUs that gave better points, not just the bigadv and bigbigadv WUs.

Feel free to disprove this. biggrin.gif

Sure, when you put bigadv as a flag on a non-BA capable CPU (thread wise) or if there's a shortage it will default into advmethods. Running without the corefix on, say, a 2500K or X6, bigadv has the same effect as advmethods. advmethods generally gives me a better PPD that non-adv on my rigs (X4, X6, 2500K).
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Sure, when you put bigadv as a flag on a non-BA capable CPU (thread wise) or if there's a shortage it will default into advmethods. Running without the corefix on, say, a 2500K or X6, bigadv has the same effect as advmethods. advmethods generally gives me a better PPD that non-adv on my rigs (X4, X6, 2500K).
^What arvidab said.
 
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Okay, so I set the flag for bigadv WUs and in FAHControl I would get periods were my Estimated PPD was 20k. I'm not sure if setting the flag had anything to do with it or it's just because of different WUs that I am getting. Either way, even when it does reach 20K Estimated PPD, it's only for a short while and then by the time it's finished I check what the stats are in HFM.net and I'm still getting ~15k PPD.

Is it maybe just because of the WUs I am getting?
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Which units are you getting? Does the TPF vary a lot? CPU folding uses idle cycles, so using your computer can slow the folding down since nearly everything else runs with higher priority. Simple web browsing is probably OK, but visiting sites with Flash probably has a significant impact on folding performance.

Also, you're folding on an AMD GPU too, right? That would definitely have an impact. I have often read that you need the v7 client for AMD GPU folding, and you have to give up one CPU thread for each AMD GPU card.

AFAIK, bigadv units are not being assigned to Windows clients anymore (even with the required number of cores). Your 2500K definitely won't get them without running Linux with the core hack.

On my 2600K, applying the -advmethods flag (when folding regular SMP) gives me the best units. You might try that instead.
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Which units are you getting? Does the TPF vary a lot? CPU folding uses idle cycles, so using your computer can slow the folding down since nearly everything else runs with higher priority. Simple web browsing is probably OK, but visiting sites with Flash probably has a significant impact on folding performance.
Also, you're folding on an AMD GPU too, right? That would definitely have an impact. I have often read that you need the v7 client for AMD GPU folding, and you have to give up one CPU thread for each AMD GPU card.
AFAIK, bigadv units are not being assigned to Windows clients anymore (even with the required number of cores). Your 2500K definitely won't get them without running Linux with the core hack.
On my 2600K, applying the -advmethods flag (when folding regular SMP) gives me the best units. You might try that instead.

I was getting mostly p8001 which was giving me the ~15k PPD.

But right now I got 7024 for the first time and that's going at ~40k PPD! But from what I read this is normal because it's a new WU that gives you mucho points.

I have stopped folding on my GPU and am just doing it on my 2500k. I haven't been doing much while folding, just browsing forums and running Foobar, which is why I was surprised I was only getting 13k-15k PPD on those 8001 WUs.
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On my 2600K, applying the -advmethods flag (when folding regular SMP) gives me the best units. You might try that instead.

For him, bigadv or advmethods doesn't matter, he'll be able to get the same WU on them both.
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I think turning on bigadv is making me get WUs that are yielding a higher PPD.

Thanks for all the help guys. Reps all around.

Edit - another question though. I'm still getting other WUs where my PPD is 12-15k.. Is this normal?
Edited by jdip - 4/18/12 at 9:34pm
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I think turning on bigadv is making me get WUs that are yielding a higher PPD.

Thanks for all the help guys. Reps all around.

Edit - another question though. I'm still getting other WUs where my PPD is 12-15k.. Is this normal?
Yes, unfortunately I remember having the occasional 12-14K days. It'll happen, and as far as I know, there's no way to avoid it. Just keep folding! thumb.gif
 
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Yes, unfortunately I remember having the occasional 12-14K days. It'll happen, and as far as I know, there's no way to avoid it. Just keep folding! thumb.gif

Got it.

Thanks again biggrin.gif
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I got myself an ASUS HD 6870 a few days ago and put it into an ASUS Maximus III GENE P55 motherboard that has a core i7-870 CPU.
I'm folding the GPU using v7.1.52 client that gets around 7.4K PPD.
My first attempt to run a SMP A3 WU (-smp 8) ended with this client freezing.
I thought maybe the GPU was hogging the CPU so I ran the SMP Client using -smp 7 and both the GPU and SMP clients were happy.
The GPU PPD dropped about 100 and the SMP has ~12K PPD.

When I had a fermi card in this motherboard I never had this problem.
I need to find another home for my AMD card.
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