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I dont know why people defend IVY and have low expectation? Whyyy? This is OCN. We where hopping for 5.0Ghz+ easily and better clock /clock performance on top. A lot of you have IVY lined to to upgrade so now that is not as great as we hoped you still defend it and make it seem that is a lot better then SB because you will be buying one.
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post #92 of 183
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I dont know why people defend IVY and have low expectation? Whyyy? This is OCN. We where hopping for 5.0Ghz+ easily and better clock /clock performance on top. A lot of you have IVY lined to to upgrade so now that is not as great as we hoped you still defend it and make it seem that is a lot better then SB because you will be buying one.

maybe for this forum the chip will dissapoint but this doesnt make it fail
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post #93 of 183
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I thought CRTs have higher refreshes?

uh... they do. Makes Vsync much more useful.

Anyway, the point was that running at something like 800x600 or 1024x768 isn't fugly on a CRT.
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post #94 of 183
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Regarding bottlenecks... let's just say that's one of the many reasons I still use a CRT. wink.gif

Im assuming you mean a crt screen? I have tested this theory and ist so false its not funny.

http://www.overclock.net/t/1211513/screen-vs-output-and-affects-on-3d-scores-the-experiment

The second set of tests I run under heaven 11 never got uploaded but they showed pretty much the same thing.
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CRTs ftw.
So are LCDs when you view pages with lighter colours, its like staring at a low brightness lightbulb. CRTs have better colour reproduction than LCDs too.

My vision dropped dramatically when I viewed a CRT 12 hours a day for about 5 years. After switching to LCD, almost a decade later, my vision has barely changed.

*shrug*
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I dont know why people defend IVY and have low expectation? Whyyy? This is OCN. We where hopping for 5.0Ghz+ easily and better clock /clock performance on top. A lot of you have IVY lined to to upgrade so now that is not as great as we hoped you still defend it and make it seem that is a lot better then SB because you will be buying one.

According to your logic, we should still be focusing on single core processors like the Pentium 4, and achieving 10+ GHz by now. 4.8GHz on ivy is not 4.8GHz on sandy. No matter how you look at it, Ivy is a step up. Max GHz means nothing, if anything Ivy bridge is a little more challenging to overclock than Ivy.. and many complained sandy took the fun of overclocking away. I'm not buying an inferior processor just beacuse it overclocks 200-400Mhz higher

For people that don't have sandy, Ivy bridge is the processor to get. Someone buying sandy over ivy just because they *may* get 5GHz is stubborn. Ivy bridge will get 4.6->4.8GHz with lower voltage, better power consumption, and still match or beat it in benchmarks. I overclock for max performance. I don't base my purchase on "this processor overclocks 1.5GHz over stock, but this one overclocks 1.3GHz over stock". I go with what will offer the best performance after being overclocked, and currently that is Ivy Bridge.
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I don't get why people are saying that it's a disappointing overclock compared to SB just because people with pre-retail steppings are getting 4.8GHZ. At the end of the day I, and i assume most people here, overclock for more performance not numbers and i would much rather a IB @ 4.8 than a SB @ 5.2. To the people that are after numbers, why not get BD? The performance may not be there but the numbers are.

Maybe that's a little harsh, but i'm psyched for IB, but then I am coming from a Q9550.

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My vision dropped dramatically when I viewed a CRT 12 hours a day for about 5 years. After switching to LCD, almost a decade later, my vision has barely changed.
*shrug*

CRT damaged my vision a great deal too, compared to LCD.
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post #98 of 183
I think the reason most call ivy fail is because we were expecting atleast sandybridge "overclocking" headroom, forget how they perform side by side at the same clock speed, Yes they are quicker clock for clock abeit a small amount but so are 99% of intels new chip releases over previous gen.

This is ocn peeps, Bring on the 5.5ghz ivy we need.
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YES BUT YOU SEE SOME APPS CAN ONLY HANDLE 4 CORES AND I USE SUCH APPS DAILY AND MAX THEM OUT TO 80-100% CPU DAILY.
NOW.
MY OC IS ONLY 4.7GHZ ON A 2600K. AND MY OC ISN'T STABLE. I GET 124 ERRORS EVERY FEW DAYS AND I CANT SEEM TO FIX THE ISSUE. MAKES ME WANT TO RAGESCREAM. I WANT 4.9 FOR 24/7 USE BUT I CANT EVEN GET 4.7 STABLE.
NO I NEED 4.9 FOR DAILY USE.

1) Why do you need to type in full caps? Even your name is in caps.
2) Your 2600k at 4.7GHz is equal to a 3770k at 4.4GHz.
3) Not every 2600k can get 4.7GHz stable, but most can.

See the problem with your logic? If you need 4.9GHz stable, then you only need 4.6GHz on IB. 99.9% of people would not need anywhere near IB at 5GHz in a home environment. That's like having a Sandy at 5.35GHz.
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I think the reason most call ivy fail is because we were expecting atleast sandybridge "overclocking" headroom, forget how they perform side by side at the same clock speed, Yes they are quicker clock for clock abeit a small amount but so are 99% of intels new chip releases over previous gen.
This is ocn peeps, Bring on the 5.5ghz ivy we need.

This is a tick processor, people should not of expected such gains until the 22nm tock processor. I really don't consider 7% that small for a tick processor, that's 4.4GHz vs 4.7GHz, or 5GHz vs 5.35GHz (as stated above). Yes, current sandy users should be waiting for the 22nm tock processor... Sandybridge is a tock processor so that should be expected. I feel many people don't understand intel's tick/tock development. This processor was never really designed to be an ultimate replacement to Sandy. tongue.gif
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DISCLAIMER: I actually do have a 19" 1280x1024 LCD monitor, but my parents need it much more than I do. My father in particular has vision so bad he actually can't read the "E" at the top of an eye chart. Their previous monitor (a 15" flat CRT) was small enough that they had to run at only 1024x768 for things to be large enough, and nowadays 1024 pixels is starting to not be wide enough for some websites.

Also, I'm an absolute sucker for black levels & contrast, and my CRT is just awesome at that (also response time to a lesser extent). At least for non-realistic content, having the contrast at max and brightness at zero gives an absolutely GORGEOUS image, which I myself still find somewhat surprising at times...

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Im assuming you mean a crt screen? I have tested this theory and it's so false its not funny.
http://www.overclock.net/t/1211513/screen-vs-output-and-affects-on-3d-scores-the-experiment
The second set of tests I run under heaven 11 never got uploaded but they showed pretty much the same thing.

The point is that I can run at lower resolutions without my image looking like crap. Also a CRT at low res has very high refresh rates, which is useful for vsync.
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Originally Posted by Murlocke View Post

My vision dropped dramatically when I viewed a CRT 12 hours a day for about 5 years. After switching to LCD, almost a decade later, my vision has barely changed.

I have an extremely high-contrast yet easy-on-the-eyes color scheme of light-blue or white text on a black background for my OS and Firefox which I've used for something like 5 years now. I also have Firefox default to 120% zoom, which I commonly increase even farther. Surely not coincidentally, I haven't gotten a new glasses prescription in over 5 years as well.

Interestingly enough, I also got this monitor around 5 or so years ago from a family relative of sorts that was hardly even a moderate computer user at all, so the monitor was almost like new. Remember that it is a Trinitron, which were pretty much the best CRTs in existence. Those two things plus my mostly black color scheme should mean that it'll have a sharp picture for years to come.


If all else fails, I can always lower the resolution to 1152x864. tongue.gif


EDIT: And the kicker? I sit like two to three feet away from said monitor.
Edited by Nintendo Maniac 64 - 4/17/12 at 12:21am
 
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